Why is there nothing in the ladder about going down on her, or her going down on you?

[Guitar_Whizz]

The Escalation ladder doesn't say anything about going down on a girl (as in stimulating her clit with your tongue). It also doesn't say anything about when to get her to suck your penis. Am I missing something here?

So my question is, when is the best point to go down on a girl, to avoid any resistance? Too soon=resistance, too late and it's blown, I dunno. I'd guess after penetrating her with my fingers would be the best point to go down on her, but I'm not 100% sure, so can those who are more sexually experienced enlighten me?

Also, what about her sucking your dick? When is the best point in the escalation to have her do this, and what's the best way to initiate this? Should I go down on her first, or should she go down on me first? And should this be done before or after my dick has been inside her?

I want to get this in the correct order so that I avoid any chance of LMR (last minute resistance), so please answer only if you've had actual sexual experience and not just read about it!

Thanks.

[Brian]

The ramp is for sex, but to get a bj, I'd say rub her pussy over her pants, get her really horny, pull your dick out and put her hand on it and tell her you want to feel her sexy lips on you.

[dman]

put a finger in her mouth, gets her thinking about BJs as she will be sucking off your finger in the same kind of action