How long can you play with kino?

[Domino]

Say you get to incidental three and there is heavy sexual tension going down but you decide not to go to overt three (kissing) because the situation isnt near a place where a full close isolation can happen. What happens with the girl after this, is it still possible to close her next time you meet with her becuase the sexual tension is there from before and the next time there is an isolated location to fully close or does she automaticaly LJBF you because you did'nt go all the way, even though the situation was not there? What im really trying to get out of this is how long can you play with going deep into kino before you have to make the big move when there is a chance?

[Sonic]

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Originally Posted by Domino

Say you get to incidental three and there is heavy sexual tension going down but you decide not to go to overt three (kissing)

kissing is NOT overt 3 - kissing is ramp. This is important.

What happens with the girl after this, is it still possible to close her next time you meet with her becuase the sexual tension is there from before and the next time there is an isolated location to fully close or does she automaticaly LJBF you because you did'nt go all the way, even though the situation was not there?

offcourse you can close her next time. Just fly up the ladder again. Even if the sexual tension dissipated a little or a lot, it will happen *AGAIN* by virtue of the rhythmic oscillation between incidental & overt classes inherently built in the DEL.

What you need to know is this(from Vin's mouth): "Kissing or starting the ramp and not finishing is *NOT* technical optimum" BUT it's not fully wrong. Don't be confined by the guidelines. I've kissed girls before and didn't close same day/night yet went on and had sex the next time I saw them.

What im really trying to get out of this is how long can you play with going deep into kino before you have to make the big move when there is a chance?

Kino every girl. Kino them everytime. Kino them all the time(i.e. use the ladder multiple times but stop before starting the ramp). On some "ON" nights I fly up the ladder in 30sec(<--Don't let this polarise you) then what? I do it all over again. and again.

hope this helps

-S

[Domino]

Whats interesting is that the first time we met she was very unresponsive to kino the 2nd time when I moved up the latter to incidental three and a breif overt three (-without the kissing) it was so easy to move down the latter to lower levels I could grab her whenever I wanted. I would walk away over and over again everytime I got higher in the latter. At one point I was hugging her from behind with my arms sliding over her breasts.

[ballin]

Originally Posted by Domino

Whats interesting is that the first time we met she was very unresponsive to kino the 2nd time when I moved up the latter to incidental three and a breif overt three (-without the kissing) it was so easy to move down the latter to lower levels I could grab her whenever I wanted. I would walk away over and over again everytime I got higher in the latter. At one point I was hugging her from behind with my arms sliding over her breasts.

Definitely, it's like what Vin is talking about in the higher levels unlocking the lower levels part of the escalation ladder document.

If I felt I were on level 3 and were getting very close to the kissing level, but weren't in an optimal place for making out/ramp (in public or at a bar/club) I think I would just make sure I was very solid on level 3 to really amp the sexual tension. Some methods suggest putting up sexual barriers (whispering to her that you really want to kiss her right now but can't because you don't do things like that in public/with others watching).
This probably isn't necessary though. If I were in this situation I would probably go for the cheek-to-cheek ear whisper a time or two done in a sensual way, and also get close to her with some good sexual eye contact. Maybe even get in real close a time or two - close enough to kiss her but don't actually go for it... you're basically subtly showing her sexual interest through your vibe and telling her that you could kiss her but the time isn't right. Her reaction to this will tell you a lot.

If you have to start over on another occasion you probably will have to work back up the ladder but can probably do so faster. I do believe that you will still have to warm her back up to the higher levels. Girls always need to be put in that mood that makes them conductive to your sexual/intimate advances. Other times she might not be quite as receptive and it might not even have to do with you.

I would say that eventually you would have to start worrying about the LJBF. If the relationship drags on and on for some time without progression to kissing and further then, even if it is clear that you are into each other, it may stale out and never amount to anything. I believe there is a certain momentum that needs to be maintained but this is probably a little different in each different circumstance with each different girl. Personally, I've started to get a little more attuned to sensing where that momentum is at with girls and in many cases it kind of stales out on me.... gotta keep the momentum going.

Hope that helps at all.

[Domino]

I totally get what your saying ballin, the sexual tension was so danm high that she refused to make direct eye contact anymore with me because we kept locking eyes deeply while our faces were 10 inches away she claimed I was seducing her lol. But I think im making progress with this girl. This situation was the first time I used the ladder to kino and it worked great. Usually I do basic kino with girls I meet and I find using the ladder to be more effective. Like Vin said on diablo "you gotta make her work harder than you on every level" so thats exactly what im going to do with her, so far ive been escalating physically despite her telling me she doesnt like touchy guys and anytime I sense that she's uncomfortable being touched I back away like nothing happened and I start again. I do however find it a bit difficult touching without making it obvious.