Moving on to the next class

[FreeVerse]

How do you know when it's cool to move on to the next class?

[Orleans]

Always Be Escalating. Escalate until she objects. Play with boundaries.

It's controversial but Gunwitch nailed it: "Make the ho say no."

[FreeVerse]

Originally Posted by Orleans

Always Be Escalating. Escalate until she objects. Play with boundaries.

It's controversial but Gunwitch nailed it: "Make the ho say no."

I'm looking for more of a feeling that she wants me to escalate and not that I'm doing it till she says "no."

And I'm not coming from a view point that classifies her as a ho. I see a woman as a contribution to a higher being that me and her create. It's more fufilling to me.

[ITotem]

Originally Posted by Orleans

It's controversial but Gunwitch nailed it: "Make the ho say no."

The point of Gunwitch's "Make the ho say no" is not so much to be demeaning to women, but to remind you that you need to lead ALL THE TIME. When you are escalating, as long as you show a comfortable vibe to her, it's up to you to move up the ladder at your own pace when YOU want. Most girls will not take the lead and give you the green light and say "OK, you can touch me there now... OK, you can go ahead and move further."

If you want to look for subtle cues, you may check if she reciprocates your touch. If she does, you should be able to move up to the next class. However this is not a sure way to gauge a woman's "readiness" level.

I think what a lot of guys forget is that a woman bases her reaction mostly on your own comfort level with the escalation. If you ramp up the ladder and show total comfort (as in it's not a big deal to you), most of the time, she'll allow you to move on. If you pay close attention to her body language, you will notice when she slowly gets nervous or when she twiches from being uncomfortable with you. At that point, you just need to slow down or pause for a while.

[FreeVerse]

It's cool. I understood there was a meaning behind it, I just didn't want to associate with the terms. I know you're suppose to lead, it's just that I would term it differently. That's me. Personally I don't like the word "ho" I like to uplift people. So why would I term it like that. For me I'd say it a different way. I'd say something simple as "I'm the leader"

[Vin DiCarlo]

Originally Posted by FreeVerse

How do you know when it's cool to move on to the next class?

Incidental kino in any particular class should be done until she is "comfortable" with physical touch in that area. You should gague this by her bodylanguage and receptivity while performing incidental kino. If she has an adverse reaction, you don't lose any points, it is simply incidental.... (its pretty rare a woman has adverse reactions to incidental kino if it's done properly, though)

Once you are comfortable with incidental in a certain class, you do overt kino in that same class - but only briefly.

90% of the time you should be in incidental kino, with overt only lasting 5-10 seconds each.

After you do overt kino, you move to incidental on the next highest class...

This formula is the best method for keeping sexual tension at a maximum while escalating.

Vin

[jason_LosAngeles]

Originally Posted by Orleans

Always Be Escalating. Escalate until she objects. Play with boundaries.

It's controversial but Gunwitch nailed it: "Make the ho say no."

Yes, and yes. She loves it when a man leads her. It's
a real turn on to feel a man want her and desire her.

Escalation doesn't mean just one thing
after another though. It's the brief action, followed by
take away or pause. It's the space in between moves
in the sequence, that creates the anticipation and craving
for the next rung.

In my experience the two massive waypoints are
fingers-to-fingers/palm-to-pam contact, and kissing.

Done early on (i.e. immediately upon introduction), the
touching or playing with her fingers/palm
really establishes the sexual interest in a discrete, classy,
and attractive way. Then there's the kiss. Once I have
finger touching and a little isolation established, my favorite
kiss is non-verbal: I just plant myself squarely in her space,
with my lips about 1 inch from hers, lower my eyelids, look at her
through defocused eyes, heavy with desire, and wait
a second. Sometimes I will pin her arms over her head
first too, if there is a wall handy. If she stays there for
a second, that's a green light, kiss her. You can see
an example of this move in the movie Fall (Eric Schaeffer, 1997,
rare, but a few on ebay).

I've also had a girl back away when I did that "plant
myself in front of her face and stare at her lips" move.

That's okay too. She just needed more time to think about it. But
she respected me for doing the escalation, and she just needed
the space in between to let the anticipation build;
she slept with me later that same night. The pause
or backing off after escalating are important. This
is called variously: variable schedule of reinforcement,
push-pull, fractionation, two-steps forward, one step back.

I agree with Vin that it is better to wait to kiss the girl
until you are in a sex location, as per his escalation
ladder writeup. However, it's hard to recover if you let an opportunity
window open and then close, so if you see the opportunity, it may be better
to kiss her when you can.

[Woz]

Originally Posted by jason_LosAngeles

It's hard to recover if you let an opportunity
window open and then close, so if you see the opportunity, it may be better
to kiss her when you can.

If you can aknowledge to the girl that you see the window and play with it/ tease her/show you're not afraid to go further this could be enough to keep things going

[relentless]

Hey Jason you made me think of a question. When you go from incidental to overt do you put a brief pause in between to allow for anticipation?

[TheVoid]

And the Incidental Kinos are great tools for probing without losing Sexual Power. Escalating without appearing so.

Void

[Brian]

Answer:

Pay attention to her.

Are you thinking about applying the technique on a robot, or are you using a general guide on a real human being?

[FreeVerse]

Cool, this thread got a lot of great responses, Thanks Guys.

[dman]

Originally Posted by FreeVerse

And I'm not coming from a view point that classifies her as a ho. I see a woman as a contribution to a higher being that me and her create. It's more fufilling to me.

I too really do not like the idea of using the word "ho" (unless you are santa claus). But I get what gunwitch is say, and I still think it is neat phrase.

Because I ignore the distaste of the choice of words and appreciate for what it is..... short, rhyming, simple, and snappy catch phrase. Exactly the kind of thing that helps make a great "quote". Remember, the easier it is to remember the more likely it is going to applied...