LR: On cockblocks and burgers

[qball]

* Note: This is a repost from the Brisbane Lair.

Friday night started at mine where I had HBFriend, my bisexual virgin pivot, and her girlfriend over. We got stoned smashed and watched some cartoons. Doctor_P comes over to find a stoned bunch and I get ready.
The valley is really dead, birdee’s is boring, Fringe is empty and Barsoma is empty. We head towards Friday’s. DoctorP works there now and he gets us through the line (pimp!). Some warming up over a couple of sets, and I’m in the zone. Favourite opener of the night: “Hey, you look cute. Are you friendly?”.
We opened 2 girls, HBPhilipino from the gold coast and her mate HBRedDress who lives around here. DoctorP is wearing a shirt that offers “warm fuzzies” with a picture of a rabbit. I offer them a warm fuzzy They’re both rather tipsy, and HBPhilipino is laughing at every word that comes out of my mouth. I have great social proof - Doctor_P, my two pivots, and a friend from college, as well as a couple of drinks. And I’m in the best mood.

AMOG steps in, well dressed but helpless looking skinny guy uses a very surprising technique that got me confused

AMOG (to girls, especially HBPhilipino): “Hey this guy” (motioning towards me) “is awesome. He’s a motherfucker, he’s the shit. This guy is great. You should watch out for him, he’s just crazy”.
Q: “Do I know you?”
AMOG: “Yeah man we met.”
Q: “I don’t remember meeting you.”
AMOG (goes back to spiel): “Yeah man you were awesome, you’re crazy.”
Q (gives the guy a hug, strong tap on shoulder): “THANKS MAN! OK, have a great night.” (box him off group with body language).
Q (to girls): “This guy was weird. I think he’s the one calling my phone with breathing heavily.”

If this doesn't sounds like an AMOG attempt - it is. I don't know the guy, and besides, when you meet someone you liked, you'd want to talk to them and he didn't. He was just trying to squirm his way into my set.

A couple of minutes later, AMOG comes back in. Now he starts talking to the girls. When I start talking to him, he goes back to saying how much fun I am.
Q: “Dude, what is it that you want? Do you want a dollar? If I give you a dollar will you go away?”
AMOG: “Why are you being rude man? I’m just having a great time, and telling these girls you’re a great guy.” (in fact, he was talking to the girls avoiding me, and just telling these things to shut me up)
Q (points to point in background behind him to get him to look. I look at it for 10 long seconds. He doesn’t take the bait but the entire set is quiet now and listening): “Man, if you met me and liked me that’s great. But now you’re acting WEIRD. And you’re making me feel uncomfortable. Do you understand?”
AMOG (mumbles): “… uncomfortable…”
Q: “OK man bye!”

He leaves. My Lebanese friend suggests that he calls 15 lebbos and punch the guy up – lol! I say that there’s no need for that and tell the girl that I’m all nice and friendly until someone ruins my vibe – and then I just get them out of my face.

HBPhilipino: “right on!”

Well anyway I’ve been doing a lot of bantering, being funny and charming and flirty, but no comfort. So it’s about 30 minutes long attract set and it’s going nowhere and getting boring. And kino escalation was a problem – she was sitting down and I was standing next to her – touching her back and hands but nothing too impressive. I decide to bail:
Q: “OK, I’m going now. I guess I’ll never see you again…” (she lives on gold coast)
HB: “I guess so."

She’s off her chair hugging me now holding me really tight and not letting go. I kiss her for a bit, and take her to the dancefloor. She doesn’t wanna go because she doesn’t want to leave her friend alone – this is funny because the last 20 minutes of conversation she had her back to her friend leaving her out of conversation and alone and just talking to me… I ask her friend for permission to take her, and we go.

Some quality kino escalation and grinding on dancefloor. 1.5 songs and we go back to her friend. I try again for rapport because I didn’t feel she’s ready to be extracted. No go. She keeps asking about my house though, and realizing what she’s doing she’s laughing to herself. I tell her about my Siamese fighting fish, and then say we should go check them out. We head towards the exit and then she gets remorse. I’m talking about the staircase leading out of Friday’s.

Big logistical problem - she has all her friend’s stuff – and so I tell her I’m gonna wait for her (for 3 minutes) while she gives them back. She tries hard to pull me by the hand, but I feel – perhaps mistakenly – that going back to there will derail my efforts. She doesn’t want to go, and I start walking down the stairs. I look back and she’s at the top of the staircase. I motion her to come down, and she does, but still hasn’t changed her mind. I go out of the club (end of staircase) and start walking away. When I look back she’s already at the bottom.

This was 4am, and apparently, after lockout at 3am, they cannot legally get people into the club – the bouncers are extremely strict, and point to video cameras that are filming them and talking about fines. I ask a bouncer to go look for her friend and call her down – but they can’t find her. My girls is stuck with her friends mobile and keys to her house, and her friend won’t be able to go in to her house. I come back and sit and talk to her, she’s sitting on my lap.

HB: “When was your last relationship?”
Q: “Actually, I still have one. A non exclusive one.”
HB: “Bla bla I feel bad I don’t want to hurt this girl. Is she seeing any other guys?”
Q: “No. But she knows what I’m doing and I never lie to her.”
HB: “Well I just feel bad about this.”

The friend stuck and now this convo killed off the entire sexual vibe. Never again will I tell girls about my FB like this, despite my strong inclination to always tell the truth in set. I was happy just cutting my losses.

I tell her: “You know what? You found your reason as to why we shouldn’t hook up. I hope it makes you happy. I’m gonna go, bye.”
HB: “Nooooooooo… don’t go…”

I start walking home and realize that, seriously, I’m acting like an asshole, leaving her there waiting alone for her friend. I’m already a good way to my house when I realize that and I come back.

Q: “I’m not an asshole, and I can’t leave you here waiting all by yourself. I’ll wait with you until your friend comes back.”
HB: “Thank you for coming back.” (I think she was relieved I wasn’t trying to pull her home again)

She cuddles onto me hugging, and in the beginning it’s very comfortable, but it quickly turns sexual. We end up locked in this little human pretzel with my legs between hers and her back to me. She’s rubbing her crotch against my leg, I put her hand on my crotch, and then my hand next to my leg rubbing her crotch. We were there for the better part of an hour, but it was really late, and we didn’t develop much conversation… I was locked not being able to extract with a girl that really wanted to fuck.

Q: “This is like torture. But the good kind.”

I make a bet with her that her friend has already left for $3. At 4:50am her friend calls her own mobile and, HB answers and tell her to come down.
Q: “I guess I owe you 3 dollars.”
HB: “I’m not sure I’m happy about that.”
Q (playing dumb): “Why?”
HB: “Because I’m unsatisfied”.

The friend comes out – she’s definitely the leader. She’s pretty wasted, and looks for the hot dog man. He’s gone. She asks a guy on the street for some smokes, and we sit and smoke. She’s talking about how hungry she is and I offer we go to mine and I’ll make them burgers – but only if they say ‘please’. They say ‘please’ and off we go.

At my place and three burgers later, her friend is appeased. Nonchalant, I offer her a pillow and blanket and point to the couch. She accepts.

Me and HBPhilipino go to room. It’s 5:30am by now and the sun is out. We start making out. I noticed a teeny tiny bit of LMR, and handled it well:
HB: “Can I ask you something?”
Q (grabs hair and pulls her in for a kiss): “No.”

We fucked once, and inspired by the sex revolution handbook, I talk to her the dirtiest I’ve ever talked to a girl in bed. Just before sex:
Q: “Do you want to be fucked?”
HB: “Yes”
Q: “Ask me to fuck you.”
HB: “Fuck me…”
Q: “Say please!”
HB: “Please…”

Almost everything hits home and she moans at every:
“You’re my tight little pussy”
“You’re such a slut, all night long you were thinking about fucking me.”

And so on. The only hoop she didn’t jump through was actually a pretty massive one – I asked her to call me “Master”, and she refused. Ha! She was really tired and there was no post sarging, other than perhaps a shower between the two fucking sessions. A couple of hours later her friend knocks on the door and says she’s leaving, and she decides to go with her. I grab her number and send her a courtesy text

Some points that I would like clearing on, from our more experience extractors:
- How do you manage the cockblocking friends in such a situation? I almost felt like I had to ask the friend whether I can take her home.
- It was a long attraction set, and with the waiting for her friends and all took 3 hours altogether. Anything else you would’ve done to speed things up?
- All the times I left - first was leaving the set, then leaving the venue ultimately helped spike her attraction. But I'm just thinking about other sets that I left in which the girl wasn't open enough to chase. Any advice on bailing too early is appreciated.

Cheers playaz,
QBall

[qball]

**Repost from Brisbane Lair**
I include the texts that I've been exchanging with this girl ever since we met. Oracle once gave me advice about not trying to get comfort with a girl when the most you have with her is attraction - so I was going for that. Ah, the merits of dirty talk in bed, you can get away with so much in text messages... Do notice the dates and time differences between messages to get the full effect. For example, the third message written here was 3/4 days after we met.

10.3.07 10:26
Q: It was great meeting you last night - sleep tight X QBall

10.3.07 16:55
HB: Hi QBall how r u?Thanks 4 a great night.It was nice meetin u 2...

Comment: I figured she had a great night of sex by the tone of this message - even though she feels awkward about not knowing anything about me. This is why I felt I could text her the following - mostly I felt I had nothing to lose

13.3.07 12:41
Q: I keep getting flashbacks of fucking your tight little pussy, baby. My cock is hard just thinking about it

[qball]

13.3.07 16:15
HB: Oh baby that makes the 2 of us.Ur big cock poundin me was not sumthin i can easily forget. That was a great night.

Comment: she's talking about it like a one-time event.

15.3.07 14:20
Q: I know something about you no else knows

Comment: I love this text message

15.3.07 14:22
HB: Hmm... whats that?

15.3.07 14:32
Q: I know you keep thinking about fucking me. And I know you're so wet right now you're dripping, thinking how good it'd be to have my cock deep up you

Comment: After the last text ended with 'it was a great night' it seemed like she didn't want to admit to wanting to fuck me again. I sent this text in order to get her to admit to it

15.3.07 14:56
HB: Wel i have to succumb...& say yes..U r right. U'v been a big ~dirty~ distraction.But baby i know u want this wet pussy. just as bad as i want u.

Comment: mission accomoplished

That's it - no communication since.

Problem is - she lives on Gold coast, and I want to get her to come back here to fuck. I thought about sending her another dirty text and then something like "It's time that you visit me and Angie again" - Angie being her burger loving friend. Any ideas?

[qball]

Problem solved
Submitted by QBall on Mon, 2007-03-19 20:22.

She texted first

19.3.07 16:28
HB: So.. Was it another eventful weekend for u?

19.3.07 16:51
Q: Not as eventful as last weekend... It's time you hit Brisbane again, baby

19.3.07 17:15
Yes i'm plannin to..Got any plans wed night?

19.3.07 20:30
Wed night it is, baby. X

QBall

"The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it"

[qball]

End to the saga - converted!
Submitted by QBall on Thu, 2007-03-29 19:03.

She ended up coming back to Brissie yesterday, we went out for drinks, she spent the night over. I've got a new FB.

Text messages below.

Q

21.3.07 18:52
HB: Hi babe ange & i wil b at Storey Bridge Hotel in 20mins.However sumthin unexpected jus come up 4me (that tym of d month) if u stil want 2 meet its up 2 u...

Comments: either it was a test or it wasn't. There's two points to this:
- I didn't want to meet her if we're not going to have sex that night.
AND
- The circumstances she describes (with her friend and so on) are less than optimal.
As a comment to myself, I should've been the one taking the initiative and telling her where we're meeting and under which terms.
Anyway, I didn't reply to that text message.

21.3.07 20:30
HB: Ok...I guess thats a no... I'll see you whenever....

22.3.07 20:52
HB: Hi QBall.Look i dont like 2 play games & i know u dont either.I wuld'v lyk a respons fr u last nyt...Anyway if u want 2 cut ties now i wuld lyk 2 know.Thanks.

Comment: she's pulling herself back in

22.3.07 21:58
Q: You're right about me. Next time you're in Brisbane I want to meet you one on one. No games.
Comment: good reframe.

22.3.07 22:11
HB: I wil b at uni til 12noon in brisbane tomorrow.Did u want to catchup then one on one?If not. I'l c u next time then.

Comment: she still has her rags. Besides meeting in daytime means no nookie most times.

22.3.07 22:39
Q: Tomorrow isn't going to happen, baby. Next time

26.3.07 12:24
Q: Hey babe, I'm free for drinks on Tuesday and Wednesday nights

26.3.07 17:20
HB: Hi QBall wed night is good.I dont know bris very well so is storey bridge hotel ok (*bit of corrupted message*)p do u suggest anywhere else..

26.3.07 19:18
Q: Let's meet in the valley baby. The Bowery on Ann street has great live music on wednesdays - see you there at 8pm X

Final comments:

The good:
- knowing my goals at any point of this text string.
- getting it to work.

The bad:
- Too many power games - the last text message I did not get a reply to, and that could have implied anything. I'd rather just send text messages which I'd receive an answer for - and kill flaking.
- Not being enough in the lead - in an earlier text message I didn't say where we'd meet on wednesday. This of course called for her setting the frame of the meet up for something more safe for her - and less fun for me.

The ugly:
- Her friend.

Your comments are welcome,
QBall

[diablo]

Some points that I would like clearing on, from our more experience extractors:
- How do you manage the cockblocking friends in such a situation? I almost felt like I had to ask the friend whether I can take her home.
- It was a long attraction set, and with the waiting for her friends and all took 3 hours altogether. Anything else you would’ve done to speed things up?
- All the times I left - first was leaving the set, then leaving the venue ultimately helped spike her attraction. But I'm just thinking about other sets that I left in which the girl wasn't open enough to chase. Any advice on bailing too early is appreciated.

manage the cockblocking friends in a way that wont make YOUR girl feel guilty...
the girl will let her friend cockblock you if her friend can make her feel guilty enough
(does that make sense?)
you make the call on how to manage a particular friend in a certain situation...
you know what you're doing.

about speeding things up...
dude... you made the best out of your situation using your surroundings.
fucking awesome... the logistics were against you...
it's a good thing you walked back!

...and i'm not sure what you mean on the last question.........

Your text messages kicked fucking ass.....
those dirty texts rock
i like your style

[qball]

Thanks diablo!

What I was asking is advice on not bailing too early. For this girl, I was about to leave without kino escalating at all, and then again when she didn't want to follow me. The advice was on how to make sure that you're leaving when you should.

Me and her are still seeing each other, it's been 4 months and it's still good.
However some things I debriefed her on:
* She didn't like me blowing the AMOG - thought that meant that I was too aggressive. I guess the fact I relaxed immediately afterwards helped, but these days I blow AMOGs off in a much more efficient (and well-mannered) way.
* She didn't follow me home because she didn't have enough sexual comfort with me. The thing I needed after extraction was isolation and something to induce trust - like telling her a story about my family etc. Something that would make me a person. Also, sexual comfort in telling her an ASD-killer. You can read more in The Oracle Method, under the "sexual comfort section". Following some sexual comfort, back to dancefloor to get buying temperature high and then extract. I believe that would've worked.
* The space of time from when we went to the dancefloor to when I tried to extract the first time was too short. I was too keen, and all I needed to do was wait for things to clear up. Sure, things worked out - but they could've been much smoother with one girl coming back to mine and a lot sooner.


QBall