Vin's Introduction

[Vin DiCarlo]

There are very few people who know the truth about “DiCarlo DiClassified”, and the turn of events leading up to it’s establishment.

So I’m taking it upon myself to document my story here.

First of all, and I must make this clear:

Even though I am best known for teaching “Natural Game“, it is simply because I was the first person on the scene to teach it - in a time when the community was very focused on routines and techniques. It has nothing to do with me being a natural.

I am by no means a natural. Far from it.

In fact, if you had seen me in high school or college you might not recognize me.

I was the short, shy guy who was always trying to get my friends to hook me up with girls, when my own incessant attempts at impressing them had fallen flat.

I was smart, I was a musician, I was funny (once you got to know me) and all I needed was a chance to show a girl how much I had going for myself.

Unfortunately, that chance didn’t come for a LONG TIME.

I went away to college to study physics, (which at the time I thought would be impressive enough to get girls to like me - women like smart men with income potential, right??) and experienced much frustration at my lack of success with women.

I watched other guys (who were jerks in my opinion) doing just fine, getting laid all the time. I thought it was supposed to be easy to get laid in college? What was wrong with me?

I had absolutely no confidence to be myself in front of women, and even if I could, I had no idea what to talk about. Nothing seemed to work.

I tried talking about my interests. I tried asking about hers. I tried being cool and aloof. Nothing.

This desperation led me to getting married to the first woman who even gave me the slightest bit of interest, which was shortly after college. (oops!)

“That’s it! I’m all set! I’m going to be happy now!” is what I thought to myself.

It didn’t take very long for me to realize that I was pretty miserable.

Having gotten into a relationship without having the power of choice, I had set myself (and my wife for that matter) up for failure - which is exactly what happened six months later.

So here I was living in a crappy apartment, driving a white commercial van (I had left my comfortable, high paying job as an engineer to persue music and as such, ended up a janitor. Go figure) and was completely alone.

At this point I needed a change.

I started to do my research, both online and in the real world. Modeled naturals I knew and read EVERYTHING I could get my hands on.

The progress was slow at first because the older material presented success with women as something that is outside of yourself.

Of course we know now that it’s simply not true.

But of course I had to learn the hard way, going out and making a fool of myself night after night, getting laughed at and rejected by the women at the club.

But for me, every rejection was a learning experience. I would come home, and write up complete and detailed analyses of what had happened, and what I could have done better.

I did this for every interaction.

Eventually I got more involved and founded the Boston lair in 2003 with a few other guys.

Now we had a “support group” and could motivate each other, share techiques and give better feedback. (Of course going out with my old friends from high school was out of the question because they had concluded that I was in fact crazy by this point)

Now this is where something very interesting happened.

About four or five of us were out talking to women one night in Boston… It was the usual thing, you know cheat sheets, canned routines and a complete technical debriefing after every set.

But on this particular night, I was completely unprepared. I hadn’t written down all my routines like the other guys and I had not memorized any material that day.

So I just decided to make the most of it and “go with the flow”.

Well that night, I did better than ALL of the other guys combined. More phone numbers, more makeouts and I even had sex with a girl at the end of the night.

And I realized - without twenty routines in my mind, and without thinking analytically while I was in the bar, I had greater mental resources and social facility available to me so that I could be completely present, completely in the moment and 100% spontaneous.

Not only that, but I was being myself. The personality that I was expressing was natural and authentic.

That single evening provided the inspiration and planted the seeds for what would lead to the development of the entire ‘Natural Game’ movement.
When I first took these ideas to the community, they were met with harsh criticism.

They saw ‘Natural Game’ as a threat to unravel the entire purpose of what it is they were trying to achieve.

They stubbornly insisted on seduction ‘the hard way’, because success never came easy for them as they were used to working overtime to get what they wanted.

Listen guys.

Sex doesn’t feel better because you used a more difficult and complicated method to get it. The woman doesn’t say “Wow you used 13 steps to have sex with me. I’m impressed. You’re getting anal tonight!”

In fact it’s usually the opposite. The more natural and spontaneous the situation appears, the more likely a woman is to believe that you’re her soulmate and give you everything you could ever wish for.

Very quickly I reached my initial goal of having multiple long term relationships. (For a period of three years my rotation would vary between 3-7 women at the same time as I brought new girls in and swapped the troublemakers out. Keep in mind this is not recommended, 3-7 girlfriends at one time combined with non-stop pick-up of new girls is pretty much a full time job. Nowadays I actually have just one girlfriend who I took the time to carefully choose. I basically picked the most attractive girl that meets all of my very stringent requriments for the position - in other words she actually puts up with my ridiculous demands)

Now keep in mind, I was still living pretty far outside of Boston (the place where all the action was happening) and I was driving in every weekend in my white commercial cleaning van.

And because I was broke, I couldn’t really fork out 100 bucks for a hotel room everytime I wanted to sleep with a woman. So I did it in the van.

What started out as a serious limitation (no nearby apartment to extract to) actually resulted in me developing an extremely fast and efficient method for physical escalation.

And this method evolved further when I went on tour teaching workshops shortly therafter, and had very little free time to dedicate to dating. (I ended up calling the method the “DiCarlo Escalation Ladder”, a name I ’stole’ from my friend and collegue Arnold, who had mentioned something called the “Morris Escalation Ladder” during a workshop he was teaching. The “Morris Escalation Ladder” was a psychological study performed which detailed the most likely progression of how and when a man would get physical with a woman. When I asked Arnold more about the “Morris Escalation Ladder” he said the name Morris was correct but the rest of the name he made up. So I stole it The DiCarlo Escalation Ladder is actually backwards engineered from about 20 women I slept with all within a time frame of about 2-4 hours. Not a single one went over 4 hours and in fact there were a few around the 30 minute mark and even one at 10 minutes - a world record as far as I am concerned, if you know of something faster please let me know in the forum)

Now the majority of students I meet do not really care to sleep with a woman so quickly, they are mostly concerned with just being able to be comfortable talking to women.

Nor do they care about getting women to spend thousands of dollars on them either, these are just ways of taking pick-up to the extreme level, which I do as a professional.

Realistically, the bulk of what I teach focuses on inner game, approaching and holding conversation in the most natural way possible, meanwhile using kino (touching) to physically escalate along the way.

Maybe one day we'll get to meet in person and you’ll know what I mean

Vin

[walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vin DiCarlo

and even one at 10 minutes - a world record as far as I am concerned, if you know of something faster please let me know in the forum)

There's someone in my area who goes by the name of Docandwriter who said that his fastest pull was in five minutes, which was from a club named Stone Temple. I think he said that she invited him to her hotel for sex after just five minutes, but I haven't really asked him too much about it, so I'm not sure about the exact details. I know that he was using Speed Seduction at the time, which was in his earlier years of learning the game.

He teaches courses as well. Maybe you may have met him before at Cliff's List Convention last year. I think he was doing some interviews. He also has a record where he kiss-closed a girl (on the street I think) after saying just nine words. Crazy.

[funkyrhino]

Cool intro, what kind of musician did you want to be?

[Vin DiCarlo]

Hey Rhino

I wanted (and from time to time still entertain this dream) to be a jazz musician. I've been playing electric bass for nearly 20 years, and guitar about 6... You play?

Vin

[funkyrhino]

oh no I don't play anything! lol. I do like some jazz from time to time.
I was just listening to 'A Love Supreme' by John Coltrane.

Cool I like listening to some bass mainly funk like Bootsy Collins, Larry Graham, Stanly Clarke etc.

[Running wolf]

Very nice intro. Vin, and it gives me a lot of motivation.

-RW

[Pastiche]

Originally Posted by Vin DiCarlo

Hey Rhino

I wanted (and from time to time still entertain this dream) to be a jazz musician. I've been playing electric bass for nearly 20 years, and guitar about 6... You play?

Vin

Oh shit! I'm a working jazz musician!

Sure I created a lifestyle for myself that is quite attractive by society standards. But it doesn't mean shit. I'm healthy and wealthy "enough" (I'm happy and I put food on my plate), but my lovelife has only started to REALLY improve over the past year. The Law of Diminishing Returns continues to hit me. That's why I started studying seduction... which eventually led me to here.

I like your perspectives Vin! Your posts always seem to uncover yet another layer of what I haven't thought of before, or piece together things I already knew about in a way that makes more effective sense.

[Mr. Mojo]

Nice Post, it is kind of similiar with my way. Although I am in the seduction community for only a year now, I never wanted to use routines to get the girls, because I felt that was just not me.

So I focused on getting the skills that naturals have and developing my personality and looks to naturally attract woman. Your free material has helped me big time with that. I also find that I am the most efficient when I am just in a great mood and let it all flow naturally.

Btw, my fastest Lay was about 5 Minutes. Opened her on the Dancefloor, immediatly started to grind. About a minute later we're kissing and she already gives me the tounge down. When she put my hand on her tit some minutes later all I said was: "Let's go." Well, took us another 20 Minutes to get to my flat, but had I had a car or flat right there it would've been around 5 Minutes.

Btw, I'm a jazz guitarrist, but choose to study business.

[Down_Low]

Mojo, I totally get what you mean about not using routines and scripts in pickup. I found that I wouldn't do pickup just because I felt so self-conscious and weird about not being myself.
Anyway, nice intro Vin, very inspiring that you managed to get the sex life that you wanted while living an hour outside a major city, being broke and forced to fuck in a van.
Props

[Running wolf]

yo Vin, how did you meet Sebastian? I heard there is a interesting story about it.

-RW

[Kicks]

im also a musician. i crack somevoice on stage. john legend wannabe. i also crack some guitars on stage back in the days of wolfgang and soundgarden. and opened a fire extinguiher in a local battle of the bands about a year ago or two.
i was damned by the bouncers in front of stage.
i like slammers near the stage so i can somehow pull their hair bwehehe.

that's another story of the year. i suppose

[deflorator]

Cool intro, Vin.

How old are you now (hey, don't take this as an IOI )?