No Flakes! DVDs released July 4th

[Mr. Incredible]

For those of you who aren't on the DiCarlo mailing list:

Vin has announced that his & Julian Foxx's new product, No Flakes! DVD, will be released at noon on July 4th.

You can get a 50-minute streaming audio here:

https://vindicarlo.infusionsoft.com/...5866a00/249f00

The audio consists of Vin and Julian interviewing the guy who did the sound for the seminar that the DVDs are of. Even though he wasn't a paying member of the audience, and didn't take notes, this guy absorbed enough information to improve his dating through the roof! The audio has plenty of juicy stuff in it, so well worth listening to even if you aren't thinking of getting the DVDs right now. It will probably be removed soon, so get it while it's still available.

There's freebies for the first 50 buyers (coaching calls with Vin and Julian), and the first 100 buyers go into a draw to have Vin and Julian set up a date with any woman whose phone number you have, no matter how you got it! A great prize for all you stalkers out there!

[johnny]

Vin,
This is upsetting...I understand you're running a business but now you are becoming a marketing guru too. You're following in the foot steps of David D, Lance Mason, David Wygant, and a few others; guys who have lost or are losing credability fast.

$300 for a dvd set on flaking??? Come on. I'm no pickup artist but I don't too bad considering I live in a community of approx. only 20,000 people. In all my interactions with women, as long as there is a strong connection in the first meeting they will not flake on you. This was even said in the Attraction Code. You create a strong connection by being attractive and knowing logistics.

Guys,
When I first meet a woman and we are hitting it off, here is how I close and this has worked many, many times. At this point of the conversation, I assume she's into me and I have figured out her logistics:
Me: I've enjoyed talking to you. I don't know what your situation is but I want to see you again.
Her: I want to see you too / Ok / Cool
Me: (I pull out my cell or get a piece a paper) Put your number in my phone. (She puts her number in my phone and then I call her phone so she has my number) I will call you Sunday night at 8:00, no 8:03
Her: 8:03!?! Haha you're funny
Me: I'm done being funny. (Put on serious face) I'm a serious mofo.

WOMEN DON'T FLAKE ON YOU AS LONG AS YOU CREATED A STRONG CONNECTION TO BEGIN WITH

The Phone Call:

1. Don't be a dick and not call when you said you were going to call. If you told her you were going to call her Sunday at 8, do it.

2. When she answers don't ask if it's her. Of course it's her.
2a.) If you get her vm don't hang up, leave a message that you will call her back because if you leave her a message to call you, she won't:
- "Hey Christa it's johnny. Just giving you a call like I said I would. I will try calling you back same time tomorrow night."

2b.) If you get a VM the second time she is most likely flaking:
- "Hey it's Johnny again, I guess I missed you again. Here is my number....hope to hear back from ya so we can continue our conversation from the other night." In this case, forget about it and move on.

3. Tell her who is calling but don't explain how she met you. "Hey Christa, it's Johnny. How are ya?"
3a.) If she says "What" / "Who": Remind her about a part of the interaction that was funny. "Remember we were talking about how you grew up in tobacco country North Carolina and your older brother made you try chewing tobacco when you were 10 yrs old. And you ended up puking on his brand new Nike sneakers."

4. This is important. Ask her what she's doing and then ask her to stop so the two of you can talk:
Me: So what are you doing right now?
Her: Reading Cosmo and watching tv
Me: Oh cool. Can you put down the magazine and ignore the tv for 5 minutes so we can talk?
Her: ok

4a.) If she is busy, ask her when it's a good time to call her back.

5. Get her in a fun mood:
- Ask her what she's done since you last saw her
- Tell her what you've done - use humor - make jokes: "I went running this morning, did some grocerys and bought lots of cannolis to defeat the purpose of running. And then I came home and shaved the neighbors cat because he's a piss pot. He's always sleeping on the hood of my car."
- Ask her what she's wearing and then tell her what you're wearing (DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP. SHE WILL MOST LIKLEY NOT BE WEARING ANYTHING SEXY)

6. When the converasation is getting fun, reveal your attraction for her:
- I've realized not only are you attractive but you are fun to talk to
- I think the sound of your voice is sexy, don't get cocky though
- I find it sexy that you're are in to fitness and staying in shape. I really like girls that care about their health.

7. After you have revealed your attraction stay in a flirty zone, don't go back to a personal vibe

8. Ask her on a date:
"Hey, I'm really enjoying this and I would like to continue this in person."
- Keep the date simple, light and fun
- Ask her to meet you (somewhere convienent for the both of you)
- Give her an out, always give the girl an out:
"Let's meet Thursday at Knapp after work for a drink. I'm thinking about 6:30. I can only stay out for about an hour because I gotta be up early for work the next day." (this is the out you are giving her. Giving her an out will not make her feel trapped or obligated to have to hang out for a long time).

I've had alot of success with this method and no matter how tight your follow up game is, if the initial interaction wasn't strong she will most likley flake.

And I'm not charging a dime for this!

[Gabler]

Good post Johnny.. Down to earth, without any fluff.. props.

[MeHigher]

how is the video different from the no flakes book?

[Vin DiCarlo]

johnny,

no offense, but your flaking tech is WEAK.

NoFlakes is serious, serious shit. if you think it's overpriced just wait for the reviews to come out.

it will seriously double (or much more) the amount of girls you're banging. not only that, but it will get you dates with girls even if you completely fucked up your first interaction.

its worth 300 bucks easy as i would have paid much much more in my early days for that kind of shortcut.

Vin

p.s. flaking can happen despite good first interactions due to boyfriends, work, other time commitments OR using generic flaking tech like the stuff you posted (seriously, no offense, my criticism may seem harsh but if you're going to come on here bashing a product you have NO clue about, then you should expect it.)


HOW DO I KNOW YOUR STUFF IS WEAK?

Cause we fucking tested stuff like that relentlessly. very low percentages. a voicemail like the one you posted:

"Hey Christa it's johnny. Just giving you a call like I said I would. I will try calling you back same time tomorrow night."

Is fucking DEATH! "Just giving you a call like I said I would" ??? Are you fucking kidding me? "I will try calling you back the same time tomorrow night"???? No curiousity, fucking BORING. unless shes ALREADY super attracted, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[Vin DiCarlo]

Originally Posted by MeHigher

how is the video different from the no flakes book?

The book is about 30 pages.

The dvd set is 4+ hours long and very in depth with examples deconstructed line by line, recorded phone calls and about 100 times more content.

[johnny]

Originally Posted by Vin DiCarlo

johnny,

no offense, but your flaking tech is WEAK.

NoFlakes is serious, serious shit. if you think it's overpriced just wait for the reviews to come out.

it will seriously double (or much more) the amount of girls you're banging. not only that, but it will get you dates with girls even if you completely fucked up your first interaction.

its worth 300 bucks easy as i would have paid much much more in my early days for that kind of shortcut.

Vin

p.s. flaking can happen despite good first interactions due to boyfriends, work, other time commitments OR using generic flaking tech like the stuff you posted (seriously, no offense, my criticism may seem harsh but if you're going to come on here bashing a product you have NO clue about, then you should expect it.)


HOW DO I KNOW YOUR STUFF IS WEAK?

Cause we fucking tested stuff like that relentlessly. very low percentages. a voicemail like the one you posted:

"Hey Christa it's johnny. Just giving you a call like I said I would. I will try calling you back same time tomorrow night."

Is fucking DEATH! "Just giving you a call like I said I would" ??? Are you fucking kidding me? "I will try calling you back the same time tomorrow night"???? No curiousity, fucking BORING. unless shes ALREADY super attracted, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

Hey Vin,

No offense as I guess I did come on here bashing something I have not seen but if you think I'm dropping $300 on a product that guarantees me no flakes when I don't have women flaking on me now...you're crazy! The technique I suggested has given me a huge rate of return and it costs $0. I don't have a spreadsheet to prove it, I guess I never thought about keeping track of that stuff.

So you've tested out the technique I posted and does not work for you???

As for Christa (this is a girl I picked up last week who works at a local grocery store, she's 21 and I'm 32 so the phone game works on young girls too), she answered the second time I called, and I bedded her on our day 2. And it wasn't because of my follow up game. So much for DEATH

[Vin DiCarlo]

Originally Posted by johnny

Hey Vin,

No offense as I guess I did come on here bashing something I have not seen but if you think I'm dropping $300 on a product that guarantees me no flakes when I don't have women flaking on me now...you're crazy! The technique I suggested has given me a huge rate of return and it costs $0. I don't have a spreadsheet to prove it, I guess I never thought about keeping track of that stuff.

So you've tested out the technique I posted and does not work for you???

As for Christa (this is a girl I picked up last week who works at a local grocery store, she's 21 and I'm 32 so the phone game works on young girls too), she answered the second time I called, and I bedded her on our day 2. And it wasn't because of my follow up game. So much for DEATH

What I'm talking about is PERCENTAGES. I don't care if you fucked a couple girls with that "method". Many guys get laid doing their own thing. BUT...

It's like driving a Kia and saying "Well it works for me and it works for my friends and it gets me to work every day" without having ever seen a Ferrari, let alone driven one.

What I'm talking about is being obsessive about this shit testing every method and technique and measuring against each other, in hundreds of experiments. (Yes I'm an obsessive nerd, and I work my ASS off figuring this shit out so YOU don't have to.)

This product is NOT for everyone - its a specialty product for advanced guys who are getting TONS of numbers, and want to aggressively follow up with those.

Guys who say they don't have flaking problems are fucking like 1-2 girls a year OR not approaching hot girls OR not being aggressive enough.

Vin

P.S. Really I don't mean to seem harsh but this is the reality of the game. Doing this stuff as a professional, i am exposed to very very difficult situations and for someone to say "flaking isn't a problem for me" I immediately know what your dating life is like.

[Zudnic]

I'm only a user of this site not connected. Stores, schools, even jobs. The girls you frequently see even briefly you both are in a comfort zone and that makes the girl less likely to flake. They even have an idea of your background. Bar, restaurant, complete stranger pick up is completely different game. Pretty much everyone is a top ten kingpin in the borders of you're hometown.

My hometown and in high school up until my early 20's. Pretty much had easy pickings even using stuff much the same as Johnny. Can't remember being turned down, ever on my home turf comfort zone. Thought I was hot sh*t until I moved to Toronto and outside my regular habitat. Took almost a year to get a date, and she flaked. Moved on to another, she flaked. Onto another and she flaked. What is wrong with me thought I. Until I got my girlfriend who is/was hot! I did everything wrong and despite her flaking somehow I still landed her. Took several months. Even the kiss thing she resisted. Turned into a be careful what you wish for you might get it girl. The most valuable lesson I learned. Her best friend who turned to me for advice about something (abortion). 3rd year of the relationship and her friend became mine as well. Her friend said: "you know she always wanted to be with you!"

The biggest problem. Our backgrounds completely different and think even my social status scared her a bit. So I turned wuss boy out of being needy for one girl to like Me. This girl was the Queen of flakes. The first girl I dated was still with that girl. That one as well went flaky, broke dates, etcetera. Went from first date asking if I had condoms. To second day her telling me I'm the first guy who did not try to get into her pants! Did so with ease because she is relaxed with me. Having sex and crying next morning that she is not like that with guys. To not returning phone calls, making a date and showing up hours late or not coming at all......... Turned out live in boyfriend and drug problem relapse!!!! Other than that she was a great girl.. Most times flaking is the girls inner games and reservations about you. Sometimes its a big red flag.... For the first category could be the start of a great relationship. On the second meth addicts are awesome in bed and do a good job cleaning your house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zudnic]

Lap top battery died. 10 years ago would have gladly paid or at least have someplace that mentioned womens flaking. Would have been a happier person and not quick to stay in a unhealthy for me relationship. Simply because I did not like being alone. I still could use some advice on flaking and how to deal with it........ My weakest area still, despite having a 5 year relationship with the Queen of flaking test girls.................

[Lester]

[edit] forget about what I said, it looked like spam for a minute but wasn't

Back 2 the topic.

I actually think No Flakes would be worth the price... I have 2 friends that were there when the taped the thing, the first taping i think. and from what I've heard it's pretty damn creative, Well i'm a writer so I like when you do creative things with words and text like creating intrigue.

but then again i don't have 297 but If I did, I would get it no doubt.

[Zudnic]

Originally Posted by Lester

[edit] forget about what I said, it looked like spam for a minute but wasn't

Back 2 the topic.

I actually think No Flakes would be worth the price... I have 2 friends that were there when the taped the thing, the first taping i think. and from what I've heard it's pretty damn creative, Well i'm a writer so I like when you do creative things with words and text like creating intrigue.

but then again i don't have 297 but If I did, I would get it no doubt.

Those spam posts annoy me as well..... I realized tonight that girls who flake I'm more attracted to them. More challenging I guess.

[johnny]

Originally Posted by Vin DiCarlo

What I'm talking about is PERCENTAGES. I don't care if you fucked a couple girls with that "method". Many guys get laid doing their own thing. BUT...

It's like driving a Kia and saying "Well it works for me and it works for my friends and it gets me to work every day" without having ever seen a Ferrari, let alone driven one.

What I'm talking about is being obsessive about this shit testing every method and technique and measuring against each other, in hundreds of experiments. (Yes I'm an obsessive nerd, and I work my ASS off figuring this shit out so YOU don't have to.)

This product is NOT for everyone - its a specialty product for advanced guys who are getting TONS of numbers, and want to aggressively follow up with those.

Guys who say they don't have flaking problems are fucking like 1-2 girls a year OR not approaching hot girls OR not being aggressive enough.

Vin

P.S. Really I don't mean to seem harsh but this is the reality of the game. Doing this stuff as a professional, i am exposed to very very difficult situations and for someone to say "flaking isn't a problem for me" I immediately know what your dating life is like.

Vin,
STOP! Look, you do not know my dating life...I have fucked 8 girls this year which may not seem alot to some but don't forget that I do not live in a big city either. And I've used alot of your philosophy (DEL) in picking up these girls. I am 32, I work a full time job and my community has a population of only 15 - 20,000 people. If i lived in NY or Boston I could easily be fucking alot more women. I don't approach 25 women a week, just isn't going to happen. Making yourself available around here takes alot of extra work and it's time I just don't have. I don't know what else to tell you other than I don't get many flakes with the amount women I have closed in the last two years.

Look, I'm sure your new product will do well and will help many guys. I apologize for bashing a product I have not seen. I'm just shocked you went out and put something out that cost so much money after putting out your ebook. I thought you put out a damn good book with Attraction Code and i even posted a good review of it here on 28 May:
http://www.vindicarlo.com/forums/rev...e-reviews.html And, you never even gave me my free 1 month pass to Mastermind for posting a review!

Vin, your a damn good dating coach and your dating philosophy has helped me out a lot. I really mean that. I just didn't want to see you become like the rest of 'them,' but hey, you're runninng a business too. No hard feelings as we're all in this together and on the same journey.

[Lester]

Originally Posted by Zudnic

Those spam posts annoy me as well..... I realized tonight that girls who flake I'm more attracted to them. More challenging I guess.

yeah.

hey man I notice what you wrote there, and I don't want you to go on the wrong path, just cause you're really attracted to a woman doesn't mean she's going to flake on you.

what causes flaking is being hesitant in escalation. Maybe you're very hesitant to women you're really attracted to and that's what you need to work on, maybe.

but overall it's hesitation or not pulling the trigger, not taking advantage of windows of opportunities or her being in a time where she can't date right now causes flaking.

[Zudnic]

Originally Posted by Lester

yeah.

hey man I notice what you wrote there, and I don't want you to go on the wrong path, just cause you're really attracted to a woman doesn't mean she's going to flake on you.

what causes flaking is being hesitant in escalation. Maybe you're very hesitant to women you're really attracted to and that's what you need to work on, maybe.

but overall it's hesitation or not pulling the trigger, not taking advantage of windows of opportunities or her being in a time where she can't date right now causes flaking.

A girl I've known all my life says I'm commitment phobic. Think your more right and might appear to be a committal issue. The latter could probably cause flaking.