shaping in pickup

[spy]

I have been looking at Vin's overall model of pickup, reading the attraction code, etc., and as I was out in the field the other day, I realized that I don't quite get the concept of "shaping" as it applies to new girls you just met. I have actually done quite a bit of shaping in my relationships, mostly unconsciously, but in pickup (meeting and pulling new girls) -- that's quite a different story.

I was wondering if anyone else has gone through this. I usually open with no trouble without using any "community openers", just asking situational funny questions or after a strong eye contact. But I can't "go straight into shaping" after opeining, as Vin has said. Is shaping a subset of qualification (or the other way around)?

Can you guys post an example of an actual pickup conversation where you go from an opener into shaping?... Any other dicussion of the subject is welcome too...

[Lester]

in my opinon shaping should not be done early on, i'm not being cut and dry either. Opening and initial conversation should be about finding out who she is, not about shaping

[Lester]

but then again you can ask her "are you a spontaneous person" early on and somehow, maybe someone can explain this, will make her spontaneous.

or you see her change her mind about something and you say "I like your spontanaeity." yeah its spelled wrong. and she'll want to live up to that.

[Pastiche]

dude the mere fact that you opened her is already shaping
she looked great and it made you wanna come talk to her
you rewarded her with your presence for being attractive

then the more you learn about her
the more you find out about her and like about her
the more you naturally appreciate certain things about her
the more you give your attention to her

likewise you might find out things you don't like
they could be things she tells you about herself
or little petty things about her behavior that annoy you
you will naturally discourage such behavior
even simply by turning yourself away or just walking off

nothing has to be said
this all happens on a subconscious level (hopefully)
the more you understand what you'll tolerate and won't
and that just takes talking to a lot of women/ people over time
become personable and sociable
and you will find the people who appreciate your presence
those are the only ones worth your time

however lets stick to a girl you find yourself liking more and more
now you start getting her to do things for you
and even tho she might not like it at first
she does it coz she likes you and wants to please you
she takes pleasure in pleasing you
making you wanna please her more
and the cycle continues
you're shaping each other into heavenly bliss

spy, you probably already do lots of shaping
and you're not realizing it
and that's okay
you don't have to know what you're doing
in order to do it "right"