Again, looks is all that matters.

[chileno]

Hey, some quick story and then comented.
The other day after the finals(college), we, 3 friends and 2 woman(one was a friend of mine and the other was friend of my friend), drink some beers....
I don't know what you think, but I think that woman are care just as much for looks that we. I consider myself, more than average in looks, but not like a model, and appers than my friend is consider more attractive than my, anyway.
Talking serius, I am more fun and more dominant that he(he is not shy or nothing, I consider very extroverted and bold sometimes), and of course am a human being, that have doubts some days and others is a f$%&· machine, but this girl, who was very attractive, was only looking at him, and is very hard to talk with her if she is in this state, I mean, I just couldn't. She laught of his jokes more that mine, looking all the time. I dont know this girl before, and yes after a while talking she pay me more attention.
Before I ask this question and I asked again, because I think that we are being played by this seduction gurus...... Almost what they said is that woman don't give a fuck about looks, and all that matters is DOMINANCE in a man, but all I see is hot woman with attractive man. And is really easy to take home a woman that want to fuck with you, it has hapen to my, and practically you dont have to do much, you can said the dumiest joke and she will be laghting of that anyway.
So what do you think for real, and don't give that crap, just talk with experience. Looks count, how much?

[Lester]

the other night I was with one of my wings whose a ex Marine, built in shape, is 6 foot 5 inches. I mean women slap this guy in the ass when they pass him in the street... women find him attractive.

although when we were approaching sets, i had stayed in longer, I was able to hold conversations while he has ejected early. I'm over kinoing with my girl while he's allready out of the conversation.

im not putting my man down, i'm just saying a difference.

yeah women like looks a lot. it opens a door but when it comes to walking in and everything after the approach, looks don't mean a damn thing.

besides, stop thinking about what women want, think about what you want... if you're going to talk to a girl and you're thinking, oh she only likes good looking guys then you will fail, you will always fail, you got to think what you want. "I want to talk to this girl"

[Mr. Incredible]

I've had plenty of women tell me I'm handsome. I've had many of the same women tell me, "You're a really nice guy, but I'm not interested in you sexually". If looks are the most important, then I'd have gotten laid more than I have. Hell, I didn't lose my virginity until I was 31!

Personality counts more than looks. Looks do count, not as much as personality.

[carpe_diem]

My god do I want to answer this!

When I was 19 I had a girlfriend who was a bit older, and I was insecure at the time that I was not good looking. And this girlfriend actually re-inforced my beliefs that I was ugly by saying stuff like "no woman would ever think you were good looking", and "you have a weird shaped body, no clothes look good on you", "I don't think you are good looking", "you aren't my type looks wise".

Why a woman would date someone she wasn't attracted to, well who knows, all I know is that this destroyed me at the time. I kind of thought my life was over! I was like totally depressed about this, and thought I'd have no chance with the hottest women! In fact I thought I'd have no chance with women at all.

What didn't change in the last 12 months was my looks, I didn't instantly get more good looking, and I certainly didn't grow 6 inches taller.

But... What did change was the results that I started getting in pickup. 10s, models, and all from cold approach. My girlfriend at the moment is the hottest girl I've ever had sex with, and I'm so good that I can pickup the hottest woman in a club (I'm talking about the tall blonde babe all the guys are scared of) in front of a group of guys who are skeptical I can do it, so the highest pressure situation imaginable.

I'm not going to argue this point with you, or try to convince you otherwise, but I will try to explain what is going on.

When you have an insecurity its caused by low self-esteem, and you can tend to perpetuate it. So what I mean is that you create your own reality, so if you think women only care about looks, then I'm certain that you will find enough of them that do just to reinforce what you believe. The other thing is that guys who are insecure are fairly unattractive to women, so its not that being ugly is a problem, its caring about your looks that matters.

Because you don't fully understand social dynamics (you may think you do, but you don't) you are unaware of all the things going on that causes what happened with that woman to happen. Because you don't really understand how subtle the things that cause attraction are, you are blaming it on something that you do understand; looks.

Let me tell you, I pull hot women off guys who are much better looking than me all the time. And I also coach plenty of good looking guys who get approached by women all the time, but do not convert it to sex. So these less good looking guys are standing there being jealous of these other guys seemingly having it easy, but in reality its not true.

From what I read you were not dominant AT ALL. You were focused on the other guy, fixated on how the woman was reacting, getting competitive, and trying too hard. This made you massively unattractive.

Weirdly enough for me, I went out nearly 4-5 years most weekends and never picked up a girl and took her home. In fact rarely ever got approached, or got anywhere. But now, sometimes women nearly jump me. In fact, sometimes they escalate on me, and want to fuck me, and get sexually overt on me. My looks haven't changed, but what has changed is my energy, and attitude, and my skills.

So looks, in my opinion doesn't matter at all. Just thinking that looks matter I think can fuck up your game. In fact any insecurity will fuck up your game. The attitude that the game is 100% in your control is the best attitude to have. Like I think that looks don't matter at all. Maybe my confidence surprises and attracts women doubly because I'm not good looking.

....Matt
DiClassified Trainer

[Lester]

Originally Posted by carpe_diem

My god do I want to answer this!

When I was 19 I had a girlfriend who was a bit older, and I was insecure at the time that I was not good looking. And this girlfriend actually re-inforced my beliefs that I was ugly by saying stuff like "no woman would ever think you were good looking", and "you have a weird shaped body, no clothes look good on you", "I don't think you are good looking", "you aren't my type looks wise".

what kind of shit is that! you know, it fucking amazes me how cruel SOME people can be. Props Matt for getting through that shit... she's the one that lost homie, I mean, "mate"

[Zudnic]

My last girlfriend was one of those who liked to bring me down. And that was one of my issue's when we broke up. Felt maybe she was right, would never find another girl. A lot of our relationship was based on she felt sorry for me and slowly fell in love, yadda, yadda, was lucky to be with her. Your such a geek loser. So Matt's post hit a chord! Really messed with my game. Thing is I'm actually good looking. She was doing that same stuff because it was the reverse. Her being seven years younger made her insecure. She was afraid Id find someone more suitable in age and background and Id leave her! Her best friend once told me she always wanted to be with me!!!!!

The break up though. I did get into a anti-social, I'm not good looking and all the things she said must be true! Turned into a wuss and maybe getting another girl too feel sorry for me must be the only way to get a girlfriend again. Or more precise be a nice guy. Let them make the first move, etcetera. Felt like a loser and acted like one. I was a shell with no personality and a job with no real social contact. The youngest Women I worked with was 60 something............................. Started becoming more and more shy. Id go into bars and sit waiting for something to happen. The odd time a girl would approach, I had no personality and start qualifying myself why they should even keep talking with me. It was like a light switch, Women would come up all nice and excited nervous and Id be the loser and boom disappointment on their faces! Before this girlfriend. Had girls galore and in high school I was considered the hot guy. Started gaining weight and basically letting myself go! Looked like shit and had no personality. Went on a diet and started walking. Got into better shape. Took a job at a clothing store and became more social. Re-learned how to relate to people. The girls I worked with started calling me shakes because one of them said I reminded them of Brad Pitt in Sleepers! The other girls agreed. I slowly developed a personality and still learning how to build attraction. But know that looks and even money can be a huge obstacle if you do not have an attractive personality--Even for Brad Pitt himself........................................... .

[chileno]

Thanks for all the replies. Specially from matt, hey that really sound great but I'm a little eceptical about all, because I have never meet a man who really is good with woman, and attract her only with words. Don't get me wrong, almoust all the woman I bed are before 3 time I see her, but I don't have many time to dedicate to this, because I have to study.
And of course that I'm ambicius and want to attract the best woman that I see, and that I'm not doing.
So let's see, if I'm in a situation like that what should I do, what do I need to play attention?..........and please look the things as they are, meaning if a girl like a guy is very hard to game her, don't you think?

[carpe_diem]

Originally Posted by chileno

Thanks for all the replies. Specially from matt, hey that really sound great but I'm a little eceptical about all, because I have never meet a man who really is good with woman, and attract her only with words. Don't get me wrong, almoust all the woman I bed are before 3 time I see her, but I don't have many time to dedicate to this, because I have to study.
And of course that I'm ambicius and want to attract the best woman that I see, and that I'm not doing.
So let's see, if I'm in a situation like that what should I do, what do I need to play attention?..........and please look the things as they are, meaning if a girl like a guy is very hard to game her, don't you think?

well your options are:

1. cry like a sissy little girl

2. get out there and improve your skills

weirdly enough since I got better I actually found that I am better with the super-hot women than with normal women. In fact I'm much more likely to be cold out rejected by an average looking woman or a not bad looking woman, than a smoking hotty. It seems looks are even less important for the real good looking ones....

makes sense actually...

....Matt
DiClassified Trainer