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Old 08-11-2008, 12:59 PM
Zenmind Zenmind is offline
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Default Modeling an alpha man is like building a persona?

Natural game is about developing an attractive identity and expressing freely this identity, without fear or shame right?

Modeling an "alpha male", his behaviours, beliefs and mindsets and testing this model in the field to get positive reinforcement through the feedback of every interaction, is to be considered a development for your personality? Can someone learn to "be alpha" through osmosis?

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I mean, if you get this insights on a product and internalize them through experience, are you developing your personality or adopting an "alpha" persona?

My opinion: sure, you may get some inspiration and initially your confidence is sky high with this "alpha" model in your head. But probably you will only end stuck in your head with very little attention available for the actual interaction. You can catch yourself thinking "what an alpha man would do in this situation?" which is a bad focus, instead of "what I would do?".
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:02 PM
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in actually I model people and make it my own. I pick people brain and I say, what would he do, mostly what would he be thinking? Im not trying to be who he is, I'm being me still. becuase I made it my own.

"what would a alpha man do in this situation" isn't so bad, but it would be more productive to think what is his focus an adapt that focus.

maybe his focus for initial interactions are "what makes her tick" or "what's cool about her." and have that focus as well.
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:26 PM
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in actually I model people and make it my own. I pick people brain and I say, what would he do, mostly what would he be thinking? Im not trying to be who he is, I'm being me still. becuase I made it my own.

"what would a alpha man do in this situation" isn't so bad, but it would be more productive to think what is his focus an adapt that focus.

maybe his focus for initial interactions are "what makes her tick" or "what's cool about her." and have that focus as well.
In other words: when you are developing your personality, and when instead you are just picking a persona? What is the difference between someone that's just pretending to be alpha and someone else that are enhancing his personality?
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Old 08-12-2008, 01:41 AM
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In other words: when you are developing your personality, and when instead you are just picking a persona? What is the difference between someone that's just pretending to be alpha and someone else that are enhancing his personality?

Think about like this - what can you take from this person and model, and then cultivate that natural quality within ourself - we dont want to lay things over the top like a bandaid - we want it to come from the inside out.

I personally am a huge Brad Pitt fan, I like to watch and model his very laid back actions - especially in The Oceans series and then ask myself - what is his focus here - what is he believeing about himself to act this way, what is he doing on the inside to replicate this? Theres a deeper level than just actions

cultivate the natural parts of yourself that are in accordance with what you wanna model - they are there...
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Old 08-12-2008, 03:22 AM
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nah man you're not making a persona... your just modeling someone, like I don't know if you had a big brother or an older cousin they might influence you some way and you're kind of like them, but you don't take up a persona... bro I think you're thinking to much about it or worried to much about it, let it go
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:20 AM
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The difference is that a persona is a false IDENTITY, modelling someone is learning a SKILL that that person has.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:45 AM
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Thank you all for the replies!

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Think about like this - what can you take from this person and model, and then cultivate that natural quality within ourself - we dont want to lay things over the top like a bandaid - we want it to come from the inside out.

I personally am a huge Brad Pitt fan, I like to watch and model his very laid back actions - especially in The Oceans series and then ask myself - what is his focus here - what is he believeing about himself to act this way, what is he doing on the inside to replicate this? Theres a deeper level than just actions

cultivate the natural parts of yourself that are in accordance with what you wanna model - they are there...
There is a deeper level that just actions, I can see that. If you learn to think like a successful person you will still be you, but a successful you.

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nah man you're not making a persona... your just modeling someone, like I don't know if you had a big brother or an older cousin they might influence you some way and you're kind of like them, but you don't take up a persona... bro I think you're thinking to much about it or worried to much about it, let it go
Ok, so if you model how someone else THINK, than you are enhancing yourself by "upgrading you mental software". You are still being you. But when you are only emulating the behaviours without the backing mental processes then you are just pretending to be the source of that behaviours.

Yeah Lester, I'm far too analytical. I'm working on this

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The difference is that a persona is a false IDENTITY, modelling someone is learning a SKILL that that person has.
Now it's clear, Mr. Incredible. I was missing a critical distinction between behaviours and their backing mental habits.
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