The October Man Sequence -- Complex Tricks vs. Fundamentals

[Daniel Rose]

Originally posted on my The Sex God Method Blog:

The October Man Sequence: Complex Tricks vs. fundamentals

Yes, that’s right. I’m finally about to give away the secret of the famous October Man Sequence to the world!

Here it is: There is no fucking October Man Sequence. Or, if there is, it’s definitely not worth knowing.

In case you didn’t know, it’s touted in the Game as a super-secret, powerful NLP ‘pattern’ that will magically make a woman incredibly attracted to you…in 15 minutes. Sounds like BS, right? Yet, it’s a question that people ask me surprisingly often in email and live coaching. What is the October Man Sequence? Do you have access to is? Can I learn it?

Not that there’s anything wrong with wanting to improve, far from it. But, the fame of the October Man Sequence does show the wrongheaded way that many guys are trying to improve.

When we encounter failure, the natural response is always to look for a “trick” or quick fix to the problem. This problem is especially pronounced in guys that are highly intelligent. They think, OK, how can I FIGURE OUT how to solve this problem? I must need to LEARN something new in order to solve it!

The problem is, in this game of attracting women, there are many problems that can’t be figured out. Most of the time problems arise from breakdowns in fundamentals.

Here’s an analogy: I fight mixed martial arts (MMA). When a guy loses a fight, many times his reaction is something like “If I only knew the spinning reverse flying death scissors move, I would have won! I should learn it right now!”

A bad coach will teach him the spinning reverse flying death scissors move, and the dude will walk away happy because he *thinks* he’s solved the problem. Actually though, the move did him no good and he continues to lose.

A good coach will recognize this natural human impulse to try and figure out our shortcomings and attribute them to some technique we don’t know. He’ll then tell his student the real reason why he lost — the other guy was bigger, faster, stronger, and did the basics better. In short, he had his FUNDAMENTALS down better.

Typically, the student doesn’t want to hear this. He’s done these stupid fundamentals a hundred times, and he thinks that he has them down. But, although he might of mastered them on an intellectual level, it takes much more than a hundred times of doing them to really master them. It takes thousands of times.

The only thing that will really help him is to drill those simple fundamentals over and over again until he REALLY masters them.

In pickup, it’s much the same way. Guys attribute failure to the lack of knowledge of advanced techniques, but that’s rarely the case. Most of the time, it’s the lack of real mastery of fundamentals.

Style and image, lack of hesitation, vibing, kino, being social and open, sexual presence, logistics. These are the basics that the naturals that are getting laid like rockstars are using.

Vin DiCarlo, whose game has been very influential on my own, once told me something that I never forgot. He said, the difference between a master and a novice isn’t that the master’s knowledge of advanced technques. While he does know these techniques, for the most part the master uses the exact same basic stuff as the beginner. What separates them is only that the master does the basics incredibly well.

So, if you’re looking to improve your dating life, don’t search for super secret flying scissors moves or October Man Sequences. Look for the BASICS that EVERYONE IS DOING. Do them better than everyone else by endless repetition and tiny incremental improvements on your basic technique.



Did you find this article looking for The October Man Sequence...but now are looking for a method of improving your confidence with women that ACTUALLY WORKS?

Well, here's the deal: NLP, hypnosis, and other new-age woo-woo stuff isn't going to do anything for your game. A loser who knows lots of complex NLP patterns isn't an attractive guy...he's just an even bigger loser than he was in the first place.

But...there was one thing that I found that improved my Sexual Confidence and inner game tremendously. When I learned sexual skills and became great in bed, I no longer had to pretend I was the prize. I actually BECAME the prize.

Think about it -- nothing is more integral to our self-esteem than sex. If you're a sexual failure -- if women don't even want to have sex with you because you don't have what it takes to please them -- these insecurities will carry over to your interactions with other women. No technique that you use will ever work.

On the flip side, if you are blowing your girl's mind every time you have sex with her...if you can give her orgasms so intense, she literally can't walk afterwards...your Sexual Confidence and inner game will go through the roof. You could use literally any technique, and be successful at seducing women.

Not to mention, if you become great in bed your relationship life will be much better. Sex is literally THE most important thing in relationships. If you don't have what it takes to please your girl, she'll manufacture BS reasons to break up with you like "I need some space" or "It's me, not you." But if you have sexual skills, you'll be able to hold a woman in a happy, drama-free relationships. You can even have multiple relationships, threesomes, etc. if you choose. This is the reality I live in now, and it's made possible by sex.

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-Dan

[Shezz]

Excellent post.

Couldn't have said it any better.

Sarge On...

[walnuts]

Great post. I thought it was really interesting.

I just have a question though. When would you know that you have the basics mastered and that you have reached the point where working on a few techniques would help your game? Would techniques improve your game by then? Or should we just forget techniques all together because all we need are the basics?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!

[Roulette]

Originally Posted by walnuts

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!

As would I. Personally I use some "techniques", like when it comes to making plans with her... ways to ensure she does not flake, etc. Basically tactical/strategic stuff. I never use scripted routines or anything though.

Kudos,
Roulette

[Vin DiCarlo]

In all fairness, this product was great. I actually had a chance to review the October Man Sequence, and it's a well put together product.

Although I don't use much hypnosis in actual pick-ups, I have used hypnosis in endgame quite a bit. This is good for creating loyalty, getting a woman used to giving you ridiculous amounts of compliance, creating a strong emotional bond, etc.

If anyone hasn't heard of the October Man Sequence, it's a supposedly "dangerously effective" NLP sequence that was talked about in "The Game" and the product "October Man Sequence" was created by In10se (Twotimer in The Game), a personal friend of mine.

If you're interested, check it->

October Man Sequence

I think that what Dan is saying, is that tricks like these are mere icing on the cake - useless with out the actual cake. That's why I'm so big on fundamentals - things like sexual state, bodylanguage, escalation, conversational management, etc...

If you don't have that stuff, no sequence will work.

[Insanity]

fuck tricks.. go for raw fundamentals.
And keep smoothning them out..

if your fundamentals are off, no octoberman or special pattern or super trick is gonna do a damn thing, because your actuions have already spoken for you.
if you cant be completely relaxed, have unwavering strong yet relaxed eye contact proper tonality , projection and rhytmic speech.. if your not non reactive and have still relaxed body language.. and smooth movements..

if you dont have the innergame to LEAD... to go for what you want,
if you dont have the innergame to stop playing it safe and just capitalise on those windows of oppurtonity, if you cant just keep pushing it forward and pushing it forward without constantly lookin to her (LEADING in other words)

then you have no business looking at a octoberman sequence or any type of ''speciality'' or ''refinement'' or ''finishing touch'' type product.
You need to work your fundamentals....... thats what im doin.. thats what everybody is doing that got good.

Insanity

[Mr. Mojo]

I agree with Vin, you got to have the fundamentals down before you add the advanced stuff.
Still the product by In10se does not only provide you with another advanced technique, it gives you some great fundamentals on improving your inner game (like getting a strong reality).
And it asks you to work on your leading skills and sucking woman into your reality, both two basics that many guys tend to forget about.
So I'd say if your working on your fundamentals you might aswell do it to make a specific advanced technique work.

[drake]

[quote=Vin DiCarlo;814]In all fairness, this product was great. I actually had a chance to review the October Man Sequence, and it's a well put together product.

Although I don't use much hypnosis in actual pick-ups, I have used hypnosis in endgame quite a bit. This is good for creating loyalty, getting a woman used to giving you ridiculous amounts of compliance, creating a strong emotional bond, etc.

If anyone hasn't heard of the October Man Sequence, it's a supposedly "dangerously effective" NLP sequence that was talked about in "The Game" and the product "October Man Sequence" was created by In10se (Twotimer in The Game), a personal friend of mine.



Vin,

Ross Jeffries here. One of my students passed along your newsletters and your ebook and I actually have to say I'm pretty impressed.

I am only going to jump in here this one time; this is YOUR forum and I actually have enough respect not to crowd your message board, but I had to address this October Man myth:

THERE IS NO SUCH PATTERN.

End of story. Never was, never as in N-E-V-E-R.

Finally, with regard to a "pattern"-a pattern is any kind of communication that captures and leads a woman's imagination, and therefore, her emotions.

Your very excellent "role playing" game is, in effect, a pattern. No, there aren't lots of memorized words(but that is a mistaken idea about "patterns") but it is a structured way of getting her to imagine being with you in the future in a way that stimulates her emotions.

The canned "speeches" in the early versions of Speed Seduction(R) were only meant as examples of caputuring a woman's imagination.

Ok, I won't post in here again, but I had to jump in with this October Man stuff and again, I admire what you are doing and find it original(thank God, not ANOTHER Mystery Method Clone).

I actually would recommend what you are doing to my own students and I don't often recommend ANYONE's work.

And you are right about fundamentals; however, knowing how to use your language to evoke the right imaginative responses and then using those responses is, to me, a fundamental.

Again, excellent and original work and I salute what you are doing.

Piece and peace,

RJ

[Vin DiCarlo]

Hey Ross-

Great, thanks for the props. BTW - don't feel uninvited - you're welcome here anytime.

Vin

[Oribi]

I just finished reading IN10SE’s ebook about the October Man Sequence and found it

1) Very interesting
2) Very helpful
3) Very funny, because the energy work mentioned isn’t any big secret and never was - I’ve been studying it as a hobby for the past 5 - 6 years.

I haven’t taken much interest in NLP type stuff until now when it comes to the seduction community. However, I have been studying and practicing psionics on and off for about 6 years, which has everything to do with the power of the mind and energy manipulation - the same energy manipulation talked about in the book. This was convenient because I’ve experienced what this energy feels like first hand and have already been through the stage of breaking down the ‘critical factor’ in myself.

I found this information and the methods described in this text easier to relate to than those in The Game, although in my opinion, Strauss still has a better writing style…and the October Man Sequence ebook was not as professionally written as The Game. But anyway, the information presented summed up psionics nicely and it’s the actual ideas and content that matter most to me in this case.

After reading about this ‘all-powerful’ sequence I, personally, believe that the October Man doesn’t present any breakthrough ideas - they might be breakthrough ideas when it comes to implementing this energy manipulation for seduction purposes, but overall - they’ve been around for a long, long, LONG time and have been studied by MANY people.

The book did, however, enlighten me to new uses of the things I may already know and introduced things that I didn’t - such as inducing a trance using this energy and breaking the barrier between the conscious and unconscious mind rather than just inducing a fleeting feeling upon touching someone for the fun of it.

As an amateur who simply takes great interest in psionics, I’ve used energy manipulation as a simple hobby to have fun with and to do some emotional healing on myself (grounding, eliminating stress or nervousness, creating a happy feeling where you don’t care or worry about other problems, etc), never for greater things such as those described in the book.

I haven’t done any energy work in a while and must get back into the habit of playing around with it.

[the_dicknotist]

I reviewed this product long ago and was ultimately unsatisfied. It's dense, new agey, and tough to implement for my taste.

There's nothing in it that's new. Anyone who's ever seen Steve Piccus on a David D program or even Ross Jeffries on one of his older DVDs will recognize this "secret" sequence that's nothing more than NLP 101.

Regardless of whether this sequence works, it's totally unnecessary. Not to mention you run the risk of getting in your head with this stuff rather than staying in the moment, which would hinder more than help your progress.

That said, I am a fan of IN10SE's old masf posts and his other product, Secret Principles of Pleasure, which has some genuinely unique and effective sexual techniques that are easy to implement.

[flow]

Hi Ross

Thanks for pointing out that there are similarities between NLP patterns and role-playing emotional states. It makes my life much simpler since I now exactly how to get people into role playing games and how to construct those games to be really transformative.

/Flow

[Pyro]

Are there any reviews of this product that include "I tried it a few times and..."

Most if not all the reviews that I've seen seem to go from the last page of the October Man Sequence to codified review immediately.

[AnthonyBlakeley]

I want to be honest with you guys, the Octoberman is simpler than you guys think. I don't consider it too airy fairy. I will not lie to you, I have a lot of experience approaching/vibing with women, but not as much experience with end game. I am not gonna sit here and tell you I've gotten laid with it yet, I've only done the synesthesia demo on chicks 3 times. This is the type of material which feels congruent for me {soul gazing, fractionation demos}, it makes you bond with the girl real fast. I don't drive, don't go on dates, I am underage, so this is the most play I've been getting from women recently, just nice healthy kino escalation and kiss closing. I've been real terrified to pull chicks into the bathroom, although I know I am capable of it. I've been working a lot on inner game and visualizing, so I am determined to crack this nut.
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I am going to track my progress and start out my blog with it potentially.
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Good luck to you guys
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Anthony B

[AnthonyBlakeley]

I am making progress. Tried to pull a girl into the bathroom today, no go. It comes down to the basics: i am going to involve the demo on more errogenous zones like breasts, stomach, legs {goes back to vin di carlo ladder}...its important to get her to the point of sexual frustration (seducing the body); and i need to be sexually projecting to the point of side piping. I'll ask vin if he'll let me post my blog on this thing.