[FR/REVIEW] Brutually Honest Review of Vin's Drills Bootcamp Weekend

[Funkfish]

Wax on Wax off, that was definitely the theme for this weekend.

******So I have never done a boot-camp in my life, there are so many that seem to offer a lot, but I just wasn't wasn't able to really commit and throw down that kind of cash. Then I heard about Vins boot-camp. I was extremely skeptical of Vin before I took his workshop, between his scary avatar on the board (woodhaven) and the really bad skeezy press in the Boston magazine combined with him not being as well known as some of the other "gurus" I had no idea what to expect. Thanks to some guys who have met/talked with Vin first hand, my anxiousness was relieved.

**** Vins form of pick up is drastically different than anything I have ever seen, same with his style of teaching. I am tempted to say that everything you now know about pickup is wrong, that's definitely not the case, but Vin seems to really be on to something here. Vin does drill based exercises that make you prepared in the field. Like I said earlier, I felt like he was the mr miyagi to my karate kid. The whole weekend it was paint the fence and wax on wax off. The drills that Vin made us do put behaviors into my head that just naturally came out of me when I was talking to girls. A anonymous member of this board put it best by saying "This is the fastest way to get good at pickup with out turing yourself into a dancing monkey"

****If you feel bogged down by all the "knowledge" that you know when you walk into a bar as I did, if you feel that your really close to getting over that hump, yet still really far away, if you hate the idea of running DHV routines and wish you could just be yourself around a girl and just have her like you for who you are, this is the workshop for you.

**Vin turns you into a natural, as he did to me. While I still have a LONG ways to go, I am no longer going to chase any more info, the VERY LITTLE amount of info/theory he provided us with was more than enough to complete an entire sarge from open to lay, this covers EVERY ASPECT of your game, from inner game, dominance to everything. I am extremely thankful for this weekend, I feel completely transformed into a completely different breed of pick up artist, one who doesn't rely on DHV stories and Canned material or anything like that, I feel like.....a natural.

If I we're to give Vin a title it would definitely be "The most powerful of all the Jedi" definitely more so than all those "gurus" out there who supposedly have great info. The reason why I say this, is what sets Vin apart from other PUAs is that his style of game is incredibly organic and open and honest and free-flowing, exactly what a real confident alpha male should be. Vin doesn't help you pretend and fool a girl that your a dominate male, he MAKES you a dominate male.


****With all that said, I suppose its time for a field report. For those of you who know me in real life, you know that I've known/been apart of the community for about 1.5 years. I've been collecting gobs and gobs of theory and info which is great and interesting, but incredibly useless in the field. Tonight I had the biggest breakthrough in my game than ever in my entire life.....EVER. But before I go into that I have to do a full weekend recap.

** So friday night after the first set of drills, me and my fellow bootcampee's, as well as Vin, Alf, Brian and Bob(who are equally as good instructors) went out to Underbar in Boston.

** Underbar is a really posh spot, house music, hot rich girls ect ect. The venue was really loud which made verbal game very difficult. But based on what we had learned about warm dominance that day we still had a decent night. At first everyone was really nervous about approaching, but watching Vin, Alf and Brian really show what the 3second rule is all about, was very inspiring. Many of us (including myself) got blown out of some sets, but most (if not all) of us dominated some sets.

****The highlight of my night was when I approached a girl and yelled some nonsense into her ear (the words didn't as it was sooooo loud)**she responded with "I have a BF he's in the bathroom right now" in which I instinctively responded with "oh thats great blah blah blah blah blah" and being dominate and very positive and organic, I did not have a single line of text planned out for this interaction nor did I for any interaction the entire weekend.

**** What shocked me as after talking to this girl for a while I said "yeah, you really don't have a BF do you" and she said "yeah well....its this guy, he's trying to be my BF I'm just really not into him like that"**I was fucking stunnnnnned. As she said that her "BF" came over and was trying to be very aggressive and AMOG me, saying "I see you met my GF here" I said "its ok bro, she just told me your not her BF that your TRYING TO BE, she's just not into you like that, but its ok cause that's why I'm here" (mind you I was pretty sloshed when I delivered that line) the look on his face was priceless, lucky for both of us I was "rescued" by her friend and I ejected, not a great out come but still solid for a first night of totally new game.

** After the second day of drilling we all went out and Tore up Allston, starting with**the whitehorse. Brian literally defines what it means to obey the 3second rule, literally 3seconds after the bouncer gave him his ID back he was chatting up the hottest 4set in the entire bar. All of us workshopee's did really solid that night. most if not all of us number closed. I number closed a hot 26 year old pharmacist (I'm a 22 year old college kid) and I also number closed a hot girl that works at the victoria's secret on newbury (I can't wait to see what her employee discount has gotten her **The really funny thing was, while I was chatting her up, her friends came over to try and "rescue her" but she literally said "not right now I'm talking" which also stunned me.

**The highlight of the weekend was tonight though, after the 3rd day of drilling, everything kinda just clicked and I really had my mind blown away by this stuff. I left the workshop feeling like a new man. I went out with my AFC friend and his girlfriend. We went to a bar in fanueil hall and....... I fucking owned the place. While I number closed about two girls, the majority of the night I was with this one HOTT HB8.5 girl who I fucking dominated and she ate up every bit of it. Oh yeah did I mention the fact that I KNEW she had a boyfriend.

****I commanded this girl around and she had no resistance to any of it, lots of kino, lots of moving her around the venue (about 5 spots total cause it was a big place) I had tons of compliance from her to, from her waiting for me outside of the bathroom while I pissed to surprising me with buying me my favorite drink (yes that's right folks, I had a girl with a BF buy me a drink, something that has NEVER EVER happened to me before)

**** I was so shocked by my success from the evening that when I was in the bathroom I had to splash water on my face to calm myself down cause I couldn't believe what was happening, I was in aw of myself.....and what Vin had instilled me. After tons of flirting and fun I had her leave the venue with me, another thing I couldn't handle, I had a tiny little make out with her but I could see her conscience coming into play. I went for the number close I said "we should get coffee sometime" in which she said**"yeah I had a great time tonight, but I have a BF" I responded with "nice, that's cool, but when we get coffee you'll just be with me, gimme your number" she smiled and said "ok" and gave me her number, I put it in my phone and it showed up on her screen and I even watched her save it in with my name. All in all a siiiiiick night.

**Now am I saying I'm a pick up artist? fuck no.
**Am I saying that I have it all figured out and have more game than any of you guys...definitely not
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**What I am saying is that this weekend totally transformed me. It turned me, a man who had never met his father and was raised by women and taught to supplicate for them since the age of 4 into a natural alpha male. For the first time ever in my entire life I feel like "I got it" All I need now is practice, and practice I shall.**

**I HIIIIIIGHLY recommend anyone who is remotely curious about Vin and his teachings to DEFINITELY give him a shot, he is one hundred percent the real deal. I just can't wait for him to write an autobiography.

**Also, I know I am giving Vins workshop RAVE reviews, I'm full aware of that. But trust me when I say I'm being 100% honest with you guys, no BS, no marketing, all truth. There are other people on this board who did this workshop with me who I will let make themselves known at their own discretion.

To Wrap things up, the best way I could compare 'traditional' styles of pick up to Vins is if you think of it like this:

We're all aspiring to be Pick up "Artists" if you put emphasis on the Artist part, then "traditional" pick up to me, seems like a paint by numbers or connect the dots approach. Where as with Vins style, a woman is like a blank canvas in which you paint a beautifully improvised picture, which is in my opinion....where the true artistry lies.

**All in all, I feel like a new man, and this summer is definitely gonna be one hell of a ride!

Thank you Vin, Alf, Brian and Bob!

-Fish

[MeHigher]

Great job.
Looks like u have tranformed from INSIDE. Were u able to feel this change as u were doing the drills or was it only when u went in the field that u noticed this change?

[Raul4523]

Thanks for the info; I can't wait til I get my opportunity to go in Oct. There are so many different things that I keep hearing about this Vin' I love that are different from the other Guru's for example : No lines you have to remember, fast results after the boot camp if you apply yourself....Thanks again for the report.

[Funkfish]

Hey guys, while I was doing the drills I could feel how these behaviors would make a difference and I tired to focus on the logically but there was just so much stuff to remember that I couldn't THINK about what I had learned at all which is a good thing.

The best way to describe this really is, Wax On Wax Off (if you've seen the karate kid)

Basically I would be with a girl, I would see a window of opportunity and my mind would go into autopilot and just do it. Everything felt REALLY natural, I definitely feel like I have made the biggest stride in the past 3 days than I have in the 1.5 years that I've been in the community. The feeling of this new me is making me high. It makes me REALLY WANNA go out and sarge, even tonight on a monday night.

I feel like I should say some negative things as to not sound completely biased about this so let me think....

hrm.... the carpet in the room had this really ugly pattern which made me dizzy haha and ummm underbar was REALLY loud but I think they'll prolly correct that in future bootcamps by choosing a different day 1 venue. I guess that's it.

Another key thing I forgot to mention is that, when you do this workshop you get a handbook written by Vin and his team of all the drills, so after the workshop you can/should keep drilling this stuff in, until they go from REALLY ingrained to SUPER ingrained in your personality.

Really for the first time in my life I understand what people talk about when they say their friend is a "natural"

ok ok I'm done ranting, but if you guys have any more questions about this weekend feel free to ask.

-Fish

[Insanity]

thanks for the review man.

theres something to be said about post workshop high.. as it sounds you took it like last weekend.


Still i know for a fact vin knows his shit.
Im just glad it seems he found a way to properly communicate these things, especially the proper way of processing things.

I like his style its about internal confidence,unreactiveness, dominance ,sexual state, intrigue, vibing and escalating.. always pushing it forward (windows of oppurtonity)
The way real game is.

And the idea of drills always appealed to me..

i dont like the notion of vin being the only one teaching ''healthy game'' so to speak though.

their are others doing good shit.
But yeah, vin is one of the guys i reccommend when somebody asks..

[Vin DiCarlo]

Hey Mike thanks for the review, and so fast, I'm still unpacking from the weekend, and here you are writing a novel

Actually I have some questions, and these are common things that I get asked quite a bit right before people sign up for the workshop -

If you could answer these as HONESTLY as possible for the people reading this / considering a bootcamp, I would really appreciate it.


1. How much personal attention will each DiClassified Drills participant get? Approximately how many points of personal feedback on average can a prospective client expect to receive?

2. How much time does a single Bootcamp take off your learning curve? In other words, approx how many days / months / years of field experience would you need to have to get the same amount of insight / social awareness / pick-up abilities gained from a single Drills Bootcamp?

3. How has the weekend changed your perspective of the game? What realizations or insights can you share. How do you think of pick-up differently now, after the bootcamp?

4. Are you sure you're not just on a "workshop high" that will wear off, or do you feel these are permament changes in your habits and behaviors?

5. Will this only work for advanced guys? A lot of the topics covered (especially on Day 3) are extremely advanced and a lot of newbies think they won't be able to pull them off - what can you say about this?


Other Drills participants are also welcome to post their honest responses to these questions as well.

Vin

[Funkfish]

1. How much personal attention will each DiClassified Drills participant get? Approximately how many points of personal feedback on average can a prospective client expect to receive?

- Well the workshop was me and 4 other guys, with 3 teachers (vin, brian, alf) and bob lending a hand when he was free, so a 3.5 teacher/5 student ratio was pretty solid for our bootcamp. Also many times my drill partner WAS either Vin, Alf or Brian so I was getting direct feedback immediately, if I was drilling with one of the other workshop guys, the 3 teachers we're still constantly paying close attention to our vibe and tone and other key things, so I was getting constant feedback. I also got alot of body language feedback, including that I tend to play with my shirt sleeves alot, something I had no idea I did.



2. How much time does a single Bootcamp take off your learning curve? In other words, approx how many days / months / years of field experience would you need to have to get the same amount of insight / social awareness / pick-up abilities gained from a single Drills Bootcamp?

-I suppose I don't know EXACTLY how much time it takes off, but I really feel like drilling is the fastest way to get good at this stuff, for me at least. While I've known about the community for about 1.5 years, I still wasn't that good, I would say that this weekend has made my game increase more than any one thing I've done since I started, I feel I have complete command over the skillset needed to do pickup, I just need to practice and to keep drilling in this behaviors. I do feel that I HONESTLY don't need to read any more info about pickup, because while theory is nice and interesting, its not what makes you the confident male you need to be naturally. I suppose now the only other book I should read is Dan's "Sex God Method" book, and we all know there's only one way to drill that skillset in (hint it doesn't involve male drill "partners")

3. How has the weekend changed your perspective of the game? What realizations or insights can you share. How do you think of pick-up differently now, after the bootcamp?

-Well its done alot of things, if you read my full review you saw the part of the night when I went out solo and manhandled that girl all night. This is when I made the biggest epiphany about my game. While it was cool to be surprised with a girl buying me a drink. The best part was when we we're talking and some of the dancing that we did (I can't dance btw), cause while I was in "pick up mode" we BOTH we're having a blast. Every-time she smiled at me (not as an IOI) but more because she was having a blast made me feel great, I was having a blast and this girl was having a blast WITH me as well. It felt really good. It made me feel that pick up is not only FUN (as it should be) but its also REEEAAALLLY easy.

4. Are you sure you're not just on a "workshop high" that will wear off, or do you feel these are permament changes in your habits and behaviors?

-Oh I am most definitely high and I know that for a fact. This morning when I woke up I was still shocked by everything that had happened to me this weekend, as I laid there I said to myself "ah so this is what they mean when they talk about workshop high"

However, I am noticing in my everyday reactions that these drills are creeping out, I'm much more confident and positive and I feel like I am naturally sarging everyone I meet (in a good way) I'm also a much more touchy feely person now too (ie kino) This has also made day game possible for me. Today I ran solo game outside in Boston and it was great, I personal first for me. I definitely feel that if I keep doing these drills (which I will thanks to the book Vin made) These skills with be with me indefinitely.



5. Will this only work for advanced guys? A lot of the topics covered (especially on Day 3) are extremely advanced and a lot of newbies think they won't be able to pull them off - what can you say about this?

-Well I am not advanced, like I said I've KNOWN about the community for about 1.5 years, but I didn't start going out explicitly for sarging till recently. I now feel that I can hold my own with my much more experienced lair mates from Boston. Reason being is that these are just core behaviors that you need to have, nothing too crazy (although once you get passed the core stuff, Vin definitely gives you a bunch of "special moves" if you will)


One thing I would like to say to you guys is. This weekend I got really good vibes from Vin, he's a really likable and amiable guy and because of that I really do want to see his stuff take off, which is partially why I am spending so much effort into writing a this review.

With that said though, I am a man of integrity. I would not rant and rave about something like this if it weren't true. I wholeheartedly believe that Vin is on to some new revolutionary stuff here and that it will change you as it did me and everyone in our group and that is the 100% honest truth. (you should have seen some of the others when they started)

If your still skeptical about this feel free to PM me!

-Fish

[jazzyjonty]

sorry but this is just a load of waffle. Where's the meat?

[Funkfish]

Originally Posted by jazzyjonty

sorry but this is just a load of waffle. Where's the meat?

I don't get it???

[ballin]

Nice review... to be honest though, I was already sold on Vin's workshop. I've been a fan since the first natural game article I read. I really like Vin's outlook and approach towards game. Plus, given my weaknesses/sticking points, this workshop sounds like it would help me the most. Being overwhelmed with so many routines, lines, rules, etc. just messes you up, as I think many are realizing. You can tell Vin's degree of intelligence from his literature... plus I think simplicity is key, and it sounds like in Drills game is broken down into just the necessities, which are practiced... it just sounds like an appropriate way of training. Also, Vin is really getting into ways to learn proper sexual escalation/tension and kino, which is so key and not explained much anywhere else.
I also think it's really cool that Vin and the other instructors participate in the forum so much, and the video responses by Vin himself (and the phone coaching call) are awesome. I've never been given such attention (a personal video response to my question) before by a guru of his caliber... it kind of tripped me out to be honest.
FunkFish, being a fellow college kid and roughly your age (a little older), I'm just wondering how in the heck you can afford Drills? Eh, that's kind of a rude question-you don't have to answer that. I guess I'm just bummed I can't participate in a workshop. I would have to sell my car to get that kind of spare cash (but I love my car and need it for my job). Maybe if I can get that second job and work all day and night this summer....

[Funkfish]

Hey Ballin, what can I say I'm just a Baller haha jk.

Actually I do professional Video Editing and DVD production and I was lucky enough to land a nice gig that paid me a solid ammount of money, and I decided to invest it in myself with this workshop, no matter how much I wanted to spend it on beer and toys and other fun college stuff.

also I feel inclined to say this for myself, I am not a rich college kid, I pay for school 100% on my own and I'm 22, school and this workshop we're paid for 100% with my hardwork (ie no mommy and daddy) not to get off topic but I wanted to throw it out there.

[Brian]

I really appreciate everythign you said Mike...makes me feel really good to know you got what you wanted out of the workshop.

One thing I recall about you is that you are very "busy" verbally and physically. You had AWESOME body language and vibe when we were doing the approaching drills. But there's this element of needing to entertain people before they can reject you.

Calm it down, and allow other people to be the stars in the interaction. Also, allow people to reject you. You are on your path in life, and support yourself and are putting yourself through school. How many women (or men) that you meet at the bar can say the same thing???

You are tall, energetic, funny, intelligent, easy to get along with. You have so much going for you ALREADY. Christ! what do you think women want in a man???? I think you're gonna be a fucking pimp. Keep practicing what you learned, and focus on not working so hard to keep the interaction going. Women want to show you their value. Let them, and just enjoy...

Feel free to email me bro

Brian

[maverick]

Vin, i was wondering if you and other guys are gonna be in sydney or around sometime this year or maybe beginning or next year. I would really like to be a part of it and won't back out for sure, thats a promise. There are so many eager sob's who want to learn and be good in sydney too. Any plans?

[Vicodin]

If success is contingent on drilling with a partner after you leave the bootcamp I think most ppl will be in trouble. You literally have to find someone willing to drill with you and if you accomplish that impossible feat I'm not sure how helpful it will be to just drill with one person and especially if it's not even with a woman.

[Vin DiCarlo]

The OPTIMUM success would mean a person continues drills after the bootcamp... but remember - most other companies don't even use drills!

Which means, even if you don't drill with a partner after the bootcamp you're still light years ahead of the unfortunate souls who didn't even take DiClassified Drills

Most guys who have taken the bootcamp have immediate and extreme jumps in success right after the bootcamp, and can maintain that new level just by going out once a week....


Vin