Drills Workshop Review -- 6/29-7/1 in New York.

[Saad]

Background with pickup companies: 2 RSD bootcamps, 1 Zan Weekend Intensive, and the Vin DiCarlo Drills Workshop about which you're currently reading.

I wanted to repost this from mASF to reiterate how I benefitted from Vin's program. It's definitely first class.

Vin's drills are very unique in that you quickly develop an objective understanding of your own learning curve and personal blocks in expressing yourself in the prescribed ways authentically. And you also get perhaps the most CONCISE view of your sticking points -- manners of communicating sexually and efficiently that seem almost alien to you.

I think Dr. Chode, err, Dr. Paul calls this "observing ego". It takes a while to get that in pickup, and I definitely only developed it towards areas in which I focused while going out. Vin's drills let your see where you are in terms of essentially every skill you really need for pickup, many of which you perhaps have not yet practiced in depth (and thus haven't built a keen awareness towards). And then he has you pushing your comfort zone in each one until it no longer seems unfamiliar.

I'd consider myself rather advanced, and most people I meet typically do as well. I've had 'natural game' for quite a while, but the gaps I was missing have never been made as WIDELY apparent as before.

Vin's guys take you out, and they make sure to good venues. They do demos, wing, encourage you to go into set, and debrief as well as apply focus on certain drills for you based on debrief feedback. But they're not really an in field 'bootcamp'. They're definitely more focused on reaffirming to you that you're in the same world as the girls you're gaming, and that through simple internalization of the right habits and manners of communication, you'll be getting to where you want with many of them. And with experience and 'drilling', you're efficiency can only increase.

So. If you're looking for a boost and some serious internalization of habits that you definitely won't be forgetting or not applying... check him out. He's definitely made a strong impact on my game, and his workshop was invaluable to me. He's not the ENTIRE PUZZLE, nor does he claim to even remotely be. But he delivered WAYY more than I expected, and much of his program's feedback was unexpectedly revealing about myself and my false persona, my problems with bonding as an authentic person, my issues with inconsistencies and overcompensations, etc.

This is definitely the first time I've left a workshop without any fear that I could afterwards be 'losing' the skills or knowledge gained over the weekend.

Here are the drills that helped me most, and the immediate difference they made in the outings:

1.) Compliance drills.

Seriously. I've never seen such a major shift in how effective my dominance can be. The drills involved getting smaller forms of compliance before getting girls or groups of girls to comply with what you're doing. Like moving them around or pulling them over towards you.

This was the most effective towards my game overall. I stopped every moving set that first night and had no probs with isolations, moving sets, and moving girls around within moments of meeting. My almost excessive dominance can often get me blown out early... but with compliance... I was apparently unstoppable.

The second night out I was at the Gaslight, a popular spot in the Meatpacking District, with Jay... one of Vin's guest instructors. I was sitting down with him and got some really snooty sets to come over through compliance, strong vocal projection, and dominance (unreactiveness). I called one girl over, who of course said no with a 'who the fuck are YOU?' face, because she had 4 chode satellites already. I wouldn't respond and just talk loudly, and because she couldn't hear me she came over. Once she came over, though, she was super warm. I'm not gonna mention the next details... nothing really juicy, not figuratively speaking at least , but let's just say that Jay and I lost all doubt that the act of compliance to my 'frame' had turned her on. A lot.

2.) thread drills.

Feeling stuck in convo... probably the lifelong story of guys new to this stuff. "I ran out of stuff to talk about!" But you still get that feeling sometimes no matter how good you are. I learned to simply switch from this very easily. The thread drills have you changing threads slightly into other topics. What I noticed was how quickly I felt I knew my partner better as a person even though we didn't stay on the topic for longer than one statement. Changing threads definitely seems more intuitive than counterintuitive in terms of actually having a REAL conversation between two people, instead of a fake dialogue that never ends. I don't get stuck anymore.

This is useful to me because I like to go direct, and if that's your game then you need to be able to smoothly transition away from the initial aloofness of a girl to such an approach. Also, I am for the first time using indirect to open a group and instantly going direct on the hook and fractionating (keeping playfulness up while I'm talking about us)... stuff that seemed much harder for me to do before because I felt stuck in one frame of convo.

3.) We practiced planting key personal items in threads such as dates, names, etc. to solidify yourself as a person and move away from identifying yourself as a 'club guy', and dropping mini-cold reads on vague observances from the convo that were obvious but made sense and were slightly insightful enough to kick the 'connection' and 'realism' up a notch.

This definitely helped in terms of me seeming like a real person. I give off a strong player vibe. Since implementing this, girls have opened up more and given up more detailed info about themselves in exchange. Fairly enough, this drill is called the "club guy destroyer".

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Vin has numerous drills and great instructors to teach them. They're very knowledgeable about the reasons that guys have their various issues with drills, and what about them is off in doing them successfully. They guide you into internalizing the correct habits in congruence with YOU.

Alf and Brian were the other two instructors, and both were very efficient in getting you through every drill until you were ready. Brian's insight especially put me in check several times when something seemed off. He was merciless in his efficiency and real-world application... much to my benefit.

The customized and yet total package game plan as well as the unique, real-world, tranquil self-confidence you have after this program is worth the investment. And he gives you his drills manual to keep. Even though you don't have instructor insight which is what makes the big difference -- you literally take the workshop home with you.

Not for everyone. Although in my opinion... it IS -- in the ideal world where every student is positive and takes away what he puts in .

[babyfaceseducer]

What do you mean the drills are "Not" the whole puzzle?I thought the info page for the drills said this is all you need to learn for neccesary pick-up from opening to bedding them.Is it not,I've never taken a workshop before and don't have thousands of dollars to take other workshops or want to pay to take Vin's if it's just a "piece" of the puzzle".I like his stuff,but I don't want to have to take other competitors workshops to learn the entire puzzle.

[Brian]

Hey Saad,

thanks for the kind words feel free to email me anytime if you have questions, stories or whatever.

Babyface,

I think what saad means is that one weekend is not a be-all end-all. We cover all the bases that pertain to attraction and seduction (most other methods occupy a small chunk of our overall structure). But that doesn't mean you don't have to get experience for yourself, or learn to apply dominance, intrigue, sexual tension etc in your own personal style.

We offer a complete system, and give you a 180 degree improvement on your game, but you have to decide, and act on, how far you want to take what we teach.

BTW, if you find the answer to everything in the universe, be sure to let me know

Email me if you have specific questions about taking a workshop. Brian@vindicarlo.com

[babyfaceseducer]

Hey Brian,I actually have been saving money for a Vin workshop,Saads review just made it sound like it was best for advanced guys to me.I understand that you have to "use" what you learned to be successful,I'm just new to this community and didn't understand what he meant by his"It's not the entire puzzle"comment,now I know the other piece is actually going out and putting your new behavior in action.Thanks for clearing it up for me and you will see me at a Chicago or Dallas bootcamp in the near future.

[Saad]

You make a good point, babyface. I wouldn't want to take a workshop with someone who wouldn't have me out and ready to simply take action afterwards... if they instead left me needing more.

But Brian is right about what I meant. When I say that Vin isn't the entire puzzle, what I mean is that your way of relating to women is something that ultimately only you can fully explore and develop.

But I guarantee that your sense of awareness and objectivity towards this journey will be severely lacking unless you take a program like Vin's. In that PARTICULAR category -- he's a master and his program has a clearer picture than any other.

I'd compare his program to putting together a puzzle. YOUR puzzle. You're gonna have a hell of a time if you're putting it together AND figuring out what picture the puzzle makes at the same time. People do this, it's not THAT hard. But why? Vin gives you the picture. He tells you where to place the pieces. You just have to put it together yourself is all.

[Funkfish]

Hey babyface, I did a drills bootcamp, while I've "known" some game before I did Drills, I definitely didn't "have game" I never bounced girls on cold approach, maybe a few numbers here and there but that's it.

since then (maybe about 1.5 months since I did it) I've had a Same night lay, about 8 girls cheat on their boyfriends with me in some way, I've had girls buy me drinks, and I ALWAYS get a phone number at least everytime hands down, I haven't been rejected for anything since.

Obviously some sets don't hook right away, but my results have DRASTICALLY improved, even to the point where "advanced" community guys from the lair have commented on my game.

I'd definitely say do it, I don't even think drills should be called a bootcamp because it puts it in the same catagory as everyone else, its DEFINITELY not a seminar either. I'd say its the fastest way to get good at pick up without totally devoting your life to material. Its basically a way of practicing and warmming up and calibrating and getting direct feedback before you even approach a chick. No one else offers anything remotely similar.

All in all, I loved drills, I'm very glad I did it, and it was the single greatest boost I've made to my game, hands down

[babyfaceseducer]

Awesome Sadd and Funkfish.I actually commented on your review Sadd without remembering at the end you said it was the "total game package".I've been with over 40 women(I'll be 31 next month)but I don't have good game.Alot of those women were when I was in my late teens and mid-20's when I was more physically attractive,plus I've had my share of fat and ugly chicks(or both).Reading both of yaw'lls reviews are getting me pumped up,I can't wait to take the bootcamp and get the life with women that I deserve as a man.Love the post-bootcamp results Funkfish.