Review of stripper system.

[bigtonyatl]

Okay, everyone's probably wondering how the system works and was it worth it. I will give a review based on several factors most guys are intrested in. First, is it doable, or recreatable? Second, how good is the material? Thrid, the instruction? Fourth, is it worth the money? Lastly, why this as opposed to any other bootcamp alternative?

To answer the first question, yes it is. I'm writing this now and not sooner because I tried the system last night at my home club. I was the absolute vortex of attention in the entire club. By the end of the night, I had all the girls sit at my table and waitresses and the managers had drinks with me. Pretty much everyone knew me on a first name basis. I had girls sit at my table and not leave. In fact, some girls blew off other customers who wanted dances. You can read more about it in my FR.

As for the material, if you like pua jargon and complicated systems be warned. The system is really simple, it requires only minor changes from regular pick up game. In fact, the underlying beauty of the system is the fact that it is in based in common sense. No dhv spikes, no patterns, no openers (the girls open you...duh), basically no downside. If you really want a whole lot of acronyms I'm sure Vin could come up with some and charge 2k more.

The instruction was done really well. It was not an overbearing superconference with 2 instructors to 35 people. The instructors were easily in command of the material. Furthermore, I never had an unanswered question.

How much should one pay for this information? I thought it was a fair price. To be honest, I'm the type of person who always finds a great deal of utility in things. I've used my pua game to do better in other areas of my life. I personally think there is greater applicability in this system than others I have learned.

As mentioned above, the usefulness is a good reason to go ahead and learn it. Another, is the fact that the system is non-competitive. Most of the guys will have a home club, and competion will not be high since a) you are armed with the most game b) most pick-up artists stay away from strip clubs c) most clubs will support at least two alpha male players. If you work out the sheer numbers ({10k + in the US} number of students{15 max}) it makes good sense. Personally, now feel at home in a strip club. I went to my local bar when I got home and it blew. For the price I pay I might as well see good looking girls and talk with my friends.

So thats the review, if I missed something hit me and I will clarify.

[FreeVerse]

Hey, sounds like you came up on some Gold.

Question,

Did the system benefit other areas of your life and also pickup?

[bigtonyatl]

Its applicable anytime you go into a business with the attmept to pick up. You'll start seeing things from an insider perspective. Normal stuff you would not consider becomes painfully obvious. It mostly helps you respect the business and within that framework then do your pickup. It also helps with other areas in your life such as, jealousy, eye-contact, being a cooler guy, etc.

[Gabriel]

Bigtonyatl:
Great.. can't wait to go to the next one. Is it expensive to implement his system meaning what is the minimum would I have to spend a night when going to these venues to be able to close on a stripper and will it take a certain amount of time (time line) to do so? meaning...is there an expectation as to how often you would have to frequent the strip club to convert to a Lay?
Thanks
Gabriel
PS What were the hours for the boot camp? Friday, Saturday And Sunday night? or just Friday and Sat night? and Sunday until what time?

[bigtonyatl]

First, lets assume that you are starting from ground zero. Assuming you implement everything correctly, it should take approx. 3-6 months to become the alpha male of the club. This projection is based on how big the club is as far as personnel. The larger the venue is the more servers, djs, managers, shot girls,...etc. you have to get to know. I take about 100 dollars everytime I go out. Mind you most of this is used to buy drinks and food. As a side note, I also meet almost every girl on the floor. Thus, the semi-expensive tag. So, if you consider going 2 nights a week (I do)thats 200 dollars times 3 weeks, its 600 bucks. You don't ever go the last week because everyone is hustling to make rent and bills.

I could've closed the first night but logistics wouldn't have allowed it. I do not think that you have to spend this much. I always go with my brother and maybe some friends so my bill is much higher. There are other ways to cut the bill and if you really want to know hit me with a message.

I'm not sure how it's going to be run the next time. When I was there we had classes fri and sat till 9pm. We ate a bite, and then went out those two nights.

[Gabriel]

Do you have to buy drinks and dances for your target to go with you?
Did the Stripper Bootcamp come with the Vin Di Carlo system or some of it?
Do I have to be familiar with Vin Di Carlos system and should I attend his boot camp first before I do the Stripper bootcamp?
Thanks
GAbe.

[bigtonyatl]

You do not need to attend Vin's Drills to understand this system. I did not, and it has still worked. Of course, because you're gaming you will run across some of Vin's material. You can still learn what you need on the go.

In response to buying drinks and dances, the answer is yes and no. I have met dancers who say they don't drink. Its fine with me, and they were perfectly happy to sit there and sip on water. For girls that do drink, I buy drinks because I'm having a good time. It is not chumpish, and is not required to close. Dances are another story. I always buy all my friends dances. At this point I'm basically numb to dances. They buy me dances if they want or the girls will give me free ones.

They key to the system is to have a good time. Of course there are things you must do. Just remember that drinks are the currency of respect in a strip club. You don't have to buy anybody anything, but you might miss some great conversations, drinking games, etc. Overall, that will improve your good times. Dancers like the guy who has a good time. So basically... if she drinks offer, if she doesn't offer water or some food.

Personally I love this system because it is actually acceptable to get tanked and still do pick up. I just posted some stuff in FR section so check it out.

[SmoothKillah85]

Don't the girls in the strip club get free drinks as is? Or are you just talking about being courteous and offering to buy one, because, hey your having a good time you might as well share the wealth kind of deal?

[bigtonyatl]

You hit the nail on the head. You are so in the moment and so generous that offering the drink is not chumpish.

[i.am.animal]

Originally Posted by bigtonyatl

Personally I love this system because it is actually acceptable to get tanked and still do pick up.

That sounds pretty awesome. I have a problem with that in normal PU, that Vin told me I should cut back on, as it hinders your recollection of events to be able to analyze, review, and improve... Small problem since I like to drink a bit too much.

Originally Posted by bigtonyatl

I just posted some stuff in FR section so check it out.

Are you referring to the ring pop method post? Is that dealing with the "drama" issue Mr. X talked about in the teleseminar? Would love to read/hear more FRs about this.

Also, does it make a difference with respect to this system if you're in a location that doesn't do lap dances. I.e. in Washington, D.C. (not where I live, but I'm there often), they don't do lap dances, at least the places I know. They dance on stage then come around for tips. Might talk to you, but no lap dances.

Thanks.

[bigtonyatl]

On drinking...
One of the reasons its acceptable to get loaded is because you are going to see the dancer again. As said in the tele-class one of the reasons to learn this is because you have a virtually infinate number of chances to run game. The girl will be there when you go back and hence you don't have to remember everything. Conversly, if you drink during normal pick up that opportunity may never occur again(hot chick walking by). Also, it is extremly acceptable to drink and run game at the strip club. It is not okay to be sloshed and then run game on girls at a regualr night club.

On drama...
There are two types of drama in a strip club: light hearted funny drama, and serious (shoe throwing) drama. The ring pop routine creates funny drama. Initally, when you work a club you will only be able to create light hearted funny drama. That does not mean that you can't walk into some serious stuff. I recall a situation when I was down there. I didn't want a dance from this girl but she basically pulled me into the lap dance area. I was literally clawing at the walls trying to escape. I'm sure she did it to piss another girl off. Girls often say that she likes this guy or that guy in the back. When another girl has beef, she will poach on anothers "man/customer." I'll write some more FR on both types in a little bit.

On lap dances...
Dances are not essetial to pick up. They help but will not limit you if they do not exist. Dances are good for showing disintrest(buy your buddy one), and build up of sexual tension(for the girl not you). When a girl is attracted to you, you will get a different dance then when she isn't. Your whole role when getting a dance is to appear disintrested while turning her on. You can also lay the ground work for sexual tension by saying "dances don't do much for me" and mean it. Believe me, she will check for a boner. I should probably post a whole FR on this, too.

[i.am.animal]

Originally Posted by bigtonyatl

On drinking...
One of the reasons its acceptable to get loaded is because you are going to see the dancer again. As said in the tele-class one of the reasons to learn this is because you have a virtually infinate number of chances to run game. The girl will be there when you go back and hence you don't have to remember everything. Conversly, if you drink during normal pick up that opportunity may never occur again(hot chick walking by).

Good point.

Originally Posted by bigtonyatl

Also, it is extremly acceptable to drink and run game at the strip club. It is not okay to be sloshed and then run game on girls at a regualr night club.

Hehe, I think i'd have to disagree with you there. Getting sloshed and then trying to pick up on girls seems to be the MO for lots of (non community) guys out there (and previously mine as well, I'll admit).

Originally Posted by bigtonyatl

On drama...
There are two types of drama in a strip club: light hearted funny drama, and serious (shoe throwing) drama. The ring pop routine creates funny drama. Initally, when you work a club you will only be able to create light hearted funny drama. That does not mean that you can't walk into some serious stuff. I recall a situation when I was down there. I didn't want a dance from this girl but she basically pulled me into the lap dance area. I was literally clawing at the walls trying to escape. I'm sure she did it to piss another girl off. Girls often say that she likes this guy or that guy in the back. When another girl has beef, she will poach on anothers "man/customer." I'll write some more FR on both types in a little bit.

On lap dances...
Dances are not essetial to pick up. They help but will not limit you if they do not exist. Dances are good for showing disintrest(buy your buddy one), and build up of sexual tension(for the girl not you). When a girl is attracted to you, you will get a different dance then when she isn't. Your whole role when getting a dance is to appear disintrested while turning her on. You can also lay the ground work for sexual tension by saying "dances don't do much for me" and mean it. Believe me, she will check for a boner. I should probably post a whole FR on this, too.

Good info. Thanks for answering these questions. Definitely would love to see those FRs when you get the chance.

[Gabriel]

bigtonyatl:
Thanks a millions.. this is golden...
Please provide routines on big league chews and pixie sticks as well and if you know anything else that will helpk in pick ups tips, tricks etc.
Thanks again!!!!
Gabriel

[Raul4523]

Wow! I'm just so amaze at all of the success. I will be taking one of the boot camps soon, but I am feeling like I'm missing out on the stripper system. Do you think it is a chance that Vin might come out with a Ebook on the topic since it is not already cover in his Boot Camps?

[bigtonyatl]

That is something your gonna have to ask Vin. Personally, I'm a low key guy so I love the fact that strippers appoach me. So find something along your style.