"Consequence-Free" Sex

[Vin DiCarlo]

In my article “The Transition to Natural Game” written under the pseudonym “Woodhaven,” I laid out the two requirements for any seduction method to work:

1. Unwavering belief that the woman is attracted to you.
2. A conversational context that allows for escalation towards physical isolation.

Though some of the article’s details are now outdated by my current methodology, these principles still underlie a successful pickup.

In this article, I will give you some conversational ‘guideposts’ that do more than just engage a woman, they address and neutralize her main objections for having fast, no-strings attached sex with you.

This “mini-method” is good for getting one-night stands, or fast lays, and can be used without a lot of strategizing or pickup experience.

Staying true to the principle #1 mentioned above, this method is founded in the reality that women love sex just as much, if not more than us. They only restrain from it because of consequences.

If we can neutralize her fear of these consequences, all that’s left to do is lead her to an isolated location. Indeed, we can even convert her to a girlfriend or longer-term relationship by adding credibility to the mix.

For this method, all that is required is a sexual state of controlled arousal, leadership (handling logistics), and flipping her consequence switches in the course of conversation.

Here are the five main consequences that hold woman back from sleeping with a guy:

1. Getting an STD.
2. Getting pregnant.
3. The guy will fall in love with her and stalk her.
4. Social consequences - her friends/social group will find out and think she is a slut.
5. The guy will see her as lacking value (being slutty) and she’ll have no hope of having a relationship with him.

Though the first two are definitely real consequences, they don’t need to be explicitly addressed - most women with sexual experience know that you just use a condom when you have sex. In fact, it’s probably a good idea to not bring up STD’s or pregnancy.

We can neutralize the last three through the course of normal conversation by using them as a basic checklist or short set of guideposts. Good topics to talk about are relationships, dating, friendships, social groups, trust, keeping secrets, values, etc.

Two basic conversational techniques to address and neutralize her other potential objections are:

1. Screen her as if you had those same objections. Find out if she is the type of girl who would make you face those same consequences. Here’s how this plays out for each ‘consequence.’

Stalking: Playfully ask her if she is the kind of girl who falls in love really fast and turns into a stalker.

Social Consequences: Ask her if she is trustworthy, and if she’s the kind of girl who can keep things to herself. Does she kiss and tell like other girls?

Possibility for a relationship: Joke and bust on her for being on the prowl, a “man-eater” who uses guys for sex and then never calls them back. Find out what her views on relationships and romance are, and approve of her views.

2. Storytelling/relating your own views

Stalking: Talk about how people fall in love too fast, instead of letting things take their natural course. Maybe share a funny story about a girl who called you too much after just meeting, or some girl who got creepy on Facebook.

Social Consequences: I have a great story for this. If she asks (or you can just bring it up), tell her how a female friend of yours stopped by/called you, and how she was upset because she hooked up with a guy, and then he went and told all their mutual friends. She was sad because she thought he was cool and trustworthy, and she didn’t understand why guys have to brag about hooking up. You told her that there is a double standard - for men it’s cool to have casual sex, but women get stigmatized, and it’s not fair. You’ve had girls brag about sleeping with you. For some guys this might have been cool, but you felt a little betrayed because you would never kiss and tell. Sex includes mutual respect.

Possibility for a relationship: This is easy. Get on the topic of relationships - ask her what she finds romantic, how she met her last boyfriend, what she looks for in men. Then relate to her views. Show her that you see eye-to-eye when it comes to dating. You share the same worldview. Then she can trust that there is a chance of the two of you dating in the longer term, because you are on the same page (and obviously attracted to each other).

There are some shortcuts to all of this.

Vacation: If you are traveling/on vacation, let her know. This will show her that you won’t even be able to stalk her, and she won’t have to face any social consequences because her friends will never find out.

Additionally, because she will never even consider having a relationship with you (because of the distance) she will have no fear of losing that option.

It is somewhat ironic, because being unavailable somehow makes women more interested in having a relationship with you. It’s almost as if the barrier causes her not to hold anything back, and she’ll often fall pretty hard for you.

She has a boyfriend, husband, or is “dating”:

This is not an obstacle. In fact, the element of other men in her life can accelerate sex.

Treat it as if it’s no big deal, and proceed as normal. Because she knows that you know she is in a relationship and are openly cool with it, she soon realizes that you won’t do anything stupid like call her all the time or stalk her.

It’s clear that by accepting her other relationship, and proceeding, you aren’t interested in jumping into a relationship. In addition, she can trust that you will be low-key about the whole affair, because if you don’t, you will ruin your chances of sex. By behaving in this manner, you are communicating massive social and sexual intelligence and she can rest easy.

You are in a serious, fulfilling relationship with another woman:

Counter intuitively, talking about how you have a girlfriend who takes great care of you, is fun, and gives you great sex can also accelerate the seduction. The observed results speak for themselves, because this works.

It is based on the same premise as the vacation - no chance of you falling for her (although her competitive nature would like to believe otherwise), you obviously won’t tell anyone for fear of being caught cheating yourself, and thirdly, she has no fear of losing the chance of a relationship because there’s no chance to begin with.

Just understand that this will hurt your chances with women whose behaviors are aligned with high morals that contradict this.

Remember, pickup doesn’t have to be complicated. Bells and whistles aren’t necessary. Just like the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder, employing basic concepts in a natural, effective way is all you need to go from approaching to the bedroom.

Add this knowledge to your tool belt, and come up with some of your own stories or questions to address her fears of sexual consequences. Treat the above as a set of guideposts in a conversation, or maybe just a brief mental checklist to ensure optimal results.

This simple method can be employed by guys with minimal experience. All it requires is a strong sexual intent (for best results, wait until there’s a level of comfort before going into a sexual state), hitting the consequence switches, and leading logistics to an isolated venue.

Like this one. Good stuff.

You can also imply the possibility of a relationship by playfully telling her you're going to teach her how to do something. I tell Brazililan chicks I'm going to teach them English, then follow it with a routine where I teach them how to say "Fish," "Ball," and "Cat" in English. When you say the three of them together, it sounds like the Portuguese phrase for "I gave a blowjob" which immediately takes it back into playful territory.

But you can tell her you're going to teach her how to cook, skydive, whatever, the more playful the better.

[Vin DiCarlo]

then follow it with a routine where I teach them how to say "Fish," "Ball," and "Cat" in English. When you say the three of them together, it sounds like the Portuguese phrase for "I gave a blowjob" which immediately takes it back into playful territory.

hahaha. Awesome, gotta remember that one.

Vin

[Instinct]

I've been practicing SS for about five months now and I'm looking for a solid routine or if not a routine, somehing that i can apply to my type of game that would elicit a massive sexual trance or vibe from a HB. Let's say in tems of NLP. Do you have something available for this? thanks in advance.

Totoy_123® from ByDesign - Forum from Manila

[Vin DiCarlo]

Instinct - you might want to repost your question in the main forum as a new topic, you'll probably get better responses there.

For a start, read this article:

Hypnosis in Pick-Up

Vin

[Verneshot]

These may sound like rhetorical questions but I'm going to ask anyway.

How well does this work if either of our logistics demand a time-bridge? Like, say I manage to get her phone number because I'll be hanging with a group of friends and their company is more important at the moment than laying her for whatever reason, or she's living with her parents and has a curfew or something (basically some other logistical obstacle that's beyond my current capacity to overcome). Would I be better off implanting these suggestions before getting the phone number (establishing comfort there and then) or after (using the day 2 to build more comfort), and for either one, why would it be better?

- Verneshot

[Brian]

Not sure I totally understand your question, but as far as having to stop the interaction because something comes up/logistics don't allow, I don't think that's much of an issue as far as whether or not you use sexual tension. In fact, creating tension will prevent her from flaking - me and Vin just worked on a big article on flaking that talks about that. The only thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't kiss her unless you are isolated for sex.

As far as implanting things in her head, that's not really a useful focus. Once you get basic sexual tension down, you can have fun using charged language. Something about the way you said "implanting stuff in her head" makes me think you might have missed the point...

Brian

[Verneshot]

Originally Posted by IceWater

As far as implanting things in her head, that's not really a useful focus. Once you get basic sexual tension down, you can have fun using charged language. Something about the way you said "implanting stuff in her head" makes me think you might have missed the point...

My understanding is that once you have created sexual tension, you can start eliminating these reservations by making these suggestions. I wasn't thinking about implanting suggestions in the vein of Speed Seduction, if that's what you were thinking.

However, you answered my question. Thanks.

Verneshot

[Vin DiCarlo]

Verneshot -

I think you've got the point here - however you do not have to wait to establish sexual tension before you start the process of removing objections.

In fact, sometimes the very action of removing these objections will create a huge amount of sexual tension in itself.

Women are very turned on by the idea of consequence-free sex - it's a fantasy come true for them - and if you do this correctly it's extremely effective -- almost scary how powerful it can be when a "loyal" girlfriend jumps at the chance to have one night of consequence-free sex with a guy who can create the proper scenario...

Vin

[Brian]

Hey my bad vernes...I thought I was responding to a question about sexual tension - forgot what thread I was on. I think the consequence-free sex thing is more geared towards one night stands...if you can't address all her obstacles before you part ways, forget about it and game as normal. If you are seeing her later that night - like you are meeting up after the bar, assume that it's pretty much "on" and you don't have to worry about addressing any more of her potential fears. Isolate and go for it.

[GangBanger]

Great article with straight to the point stuff, without any BS!

Also, it demonstrate similar way of thinking that I use to make stories.

I start by answering question: "What do I want to communicate to her with that story?"

Than, bring some event from my life that fit, and formulate it in way that emphasize my goal.

[Gibletpie]

I have to say...

I sort of stumbled onto something recently where I'll close girls with, "I like you. I like that you're X. I like how you Y. You're cool. You make me smile. I don't want to be your boyfriend, but I want to take you home with me tonight."

I pulled 3 nights in a row with this.

After analyzing it later, I remembered this post and realized that I'm basically disarming 2 of the objections Vin mentions here. Possibility of a relationship implied by the things I like about her, what makes her "special." "I don't want to be your boyfriend" might appear to take it away, but I think more likely disarms the objection that you'll get nutty and stalk her, thus disarming the other objection. Either way, it works and it works well with my pretty direct style. YMMV.

Just wanted to share this, and thank Vin for his original post.

GP

[dman]

ever heard of shock and awe? they will pull what you said right off from the word go....

[Troy1g]

Hello
First let me say I listend to my first audio downloads today,. I learned very much and enjoyed them. I have a lot to learn. I am posting to this topic because I felt it left out the transition OUT. If we are going for the one night stand or short term sexual relationship how does one Exit without consequences. The old saying, Hell hath no furry than a women scorn. The other subject is CONSENT I work in criminal law and unfortunatly I have seen too many cases of Buyers remorse and false accusations of you know what. Dates gone bad I know this is a touchy subject, But these things happen. Short of a written OK or audio taped Ok which could blow the whole deal. what advice does anyone have for this area in Regards to the one night stand situation. GREAT PROGRAM I am looking forward to learning more. Any thoughts on this matter?
Thanks
Troy

[Mr. Incredible]

I would imagine that the exit is handled by your entry. If you start by making it clear that all you want is consequence-free sex, and you behave consistently with that throughout the interaction, there should be no problem. You are the man; you should be leading; she will accept your leadership and accept that it's only casual if your leadership is strong enough.

Also, discretion is important. "Consequence-free" means that no one but the two of you know. Her boyfriend, parents, friends, work colleagues, or whomever never find out about it. If she were to make a rape allegation, it's probably because someone found out and she feels the need to protect her reputation.